Bristol Palin Claims Virginity Was "Stolen"

[Munchkin03]

I want to believe this but I can't.

If she was really date-raped by Levi, why would she wait until now to disclose it, when her book is conveniently coming out? Not only did they get engaged, they GOT BACK TOGETHER afterwards. Levi Johnston, while hot and dumb, is probably a douchebag. But a virginity stealer? I feel like this plays right into their constant playing the victim as well as a convenient repackaging of Bristol's narrative.

Dude, if you like sex, have it without apology. Don't hide behind a "stolen virginity" narrative because it makes real rape victims' experiences that much harder.

Did anyone hear about her beef with Meghan McCain? Bristol, finish high school and go to college and then we'll talk.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Did anyone hear about her beef with Meghan McCain? Bristol, finish high school and go to college and then we'll talk.

I didn't know.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...t-of-love.html

Yeah. Uh. Yeah. Meghan McCain would beat dat ass. LOL. I really don't think Bristol Palin has accomplished anything to write a memoir about.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I didn't know.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...t-of-love.html

Yeah. Uh. Yeah. Meghan McCain would beat dat ass. LOL. I really don't think Bristol Palin has accomplished anything to write a memoir about.

The Palins feel inferior to the McCains...no matter how much money they might get as a result of reality shows and speaking engagements, they're still PWT and deep down, they all know it. The McCains remind them of that without saying a word.

Another thing--she's saying that Levi has another kid? Wouldn't that have come out as well. The kid is allegedly named "Bentley," which is what they wanted to name their baby.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

The Palins feel inferior to the McCains...no matter how much money they might get as a result of reality shows and speaking engagements, they're still PWT and deep down, they all know it. The McCains remind them of that without saying a word.

Cringe. Deja vu.

Let the record show that Munchkin03 is saying this is how they are perceived by some white people. Munchkin03 isn't saying that there is truly a such thing as PWT or that nonwhites have the ability to place whites into such categories.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Cringe. Deja vu.

Did we have this discussion before?

I've always felt that, more so with other groups, working-class white people have the hardest time with wealthy white people as opposed to wealthy blacks, Latinos, or Asians. Granted, every group has examples of "crabs in the barrel syndrome," but this is a little different. I remember seeing poor white classmates and co-workers get ANGRY when they saw another white person in a nicer car, bigger house, etc. Other groups just tend to get jealous and keep it inside.

I saw a lot of this growing up and I see it less so now (frankly, I don't interact with too many working-class whites these days) and as soon as I read the things the Palins were saying about the McCains it all sounded mighty familiar.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Did we have this discussion before?

In the thread about the actor who married the young country singer-model. It is a fun thread.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I've always felt that, more so with other groups, working-class white people have the hardest time with wealthy white people as opposed to wealthy blacks, Latinos, or Asians. Granted, every group has examples of "crabs in the barrel syndrome," but this is a little different. I remember seeing poor white classmates and co-workers get ANGRY when they saw another white person in a nicer car, bigger house, etc. Other groups just tend to get jealous and keep it inside.

I saw a lot of this growing up and I see it less so now (frankly, I don't interact with too many working-class whites these days) and as soon as I read the things the Palins were saying about the McCains it all sounded mighty familiar.

I see what you mean but I tend to see it as the other way around. The opinions of the Palins really don't matter. It's the opinions of those higher up that matter. The Palins have probably been made to feel inadequate and subpar. That isn't so much about the Palins being jealous but about what it takes to get in the Cool Kids' Club.

The Palins arguably and perhaps legitimately have some insecurities. They were hot shit in Alaska where they were considered higher ranking. They aren't so higher ranking outside of Alaska and when mingling with politicians and those of the upper 5% of the nation. The Palins were given a chance to kick it with the Cool Kids because of the intersection of white privilege with white woman privilege. Sarah Palin and The Palins aren't the only politicans with certain privileges and disadvantages working for and against them. They're just the topic of this thread.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

The Palins arguably and perhaps legitimately have some insecurities. They were hot shit in Alaska where they were considered higher ranking. They aren't so higher ranking outside of Alaska and when mingling with politicians and those of the upper 5% of the nation. The Palins were given a chance to kick it with the Cool Kids because of the intersection of white privilege with white woman privilege. Sarah Palin and The Palins aren't the only politicans with certain privileges and disadvantages working for and against them. They're just the topic of this thread.

I think they just stand out more because this is the first time in memory that there's been a potential First or Second Family that appeared so "rough around the edges." Yeah, there was Billy Carter and Roger Clinton, but they were obviously sidenotes. You can dress the Palins up in as many clothes from Nordstrom as you'd like but there's no denying what side of the tracks they're really from.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

If she was really date-raped by Levi, why would she wait until now to disclose it, when her book is conveniently coming out? Not only did they get engaged, they GOT BACK TOGETHER afterwards. Levi Johnston, while hot and dumb, is probably a douchebag. But a virginity stealer? I feel like this plays right into their constant playing the victim as well as a convenient repackaging of Bristol's narrative.

This is why I can't pass judgement either way, though. I stayed together with mine, for almost a year, and continued a sexual relationship with him. I did not acknowledge what happened to me until a few years later.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by agzg

This is why I can't pass judgement either way, though. I stayed together with mine, for almost a year, and continued a sexual relationship with him. I did not acknowledge what happened to me until a few years later.

I'm sorry you experienced that.

While I understand that things happen--both date rape and the less-than-ideal loss of virginity, I'm just a little skeptical about the source and the timing. Bristol has gone back and forth so much on the topic of abstinence, for one example, that it makes me think she's a puppet for her mother and her mother's handlers. The narrative that they're trying to create--that Bristol was not a willing participant in her sexuality--fits right in with the idea that abstinence is best.

If she had come forward with this years from now, it would be far more believable. But the fact that she's saying this in timing with her book?