Universities Under Investigation Re: Handling Sexual Assault

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by honorgal

What you call gender inequality, I call gender differences. It's also known as biology.

Okay, honorgal.

Back to your interpretation of data and campus safety, do you now understand the data and overall safety of college campuses? Does that help you to understand the data and this topic?

Speaking of campus safety, there are non-students who (live not too far from and therefore) target college campuses for robbery, burglary, and violence? Why? Because they know that despite every effort from campus police and public safety, college students (and some staff and faculty) are careless, shortsighted, and trusting. Can that factor into sexual assault and rape, that depends on the circumstances.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Okay, honorgal.

Back to your interpretation of data and campus safety, do you now understand the data and overall safety of college campuses? Does that help you to understand the data and this topic?

I understand enough to know that the risk isn't anything close to 1 in 5. Many parents wouldn't put their daughters in such a dangerous environment.

Speaking of campus safety, there are non-students who (live not too far from and therefore) target college campuses for robbery, burglary, and violence? Why? Because they know that despite every effort from campus police and public safety, college students (and some staff and faculty) are careless, shortsighted, and trusting. Can that factor into sexual assault and rape, that depends on the circumstances.

I disagree that they are making every effort. Not even close. They could very frankly tell young men and women the risks they run when they have drunken hookups. Instead, the major focus seems to be on the process schools will follow after the fact.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by honorgal

I understand enough to know that the risk isn't anything close to 1 in 5.

Then TELL US what it is.

Originally Posted by honorgal

Many parents wouldn't put their daughters in such a dangerous environment.

You have clearly never worked in college admissions or read the crime data for some of the most popular colleges in the country.

Originally Posted by honorgal

I disagree that they are making every effort. Not even close. They could very frankly tell young men and women the risks they run when they have drunken hookups. Instead, the major focus seems to be on the process schools will follow after the fact.

"Despite every effort" is a common phrase that does not mean that every possible effort has been attempted. No campus will ever attempt or accomplish every possible effort. There will always be issues with budget, student naysayers, staff naysayers, faculty naysayers, community naysayers, and parent naysayers.

For example, there are parents who do not want campus crime incidents published; who prefer to have campus safety without having actual sworn law enforcement; and who do not want their "children" to take college courses on campus safety, binge drinking, and safe and consensual sex. So, you see how it can be impossible to override the naysayers.

But, have you researched the campus police and public safety of most college campuses to see their efforts? Did you know that some colleges have campus safety programs, courses, and departments? Did you know that some college campuses require classes on binge drinking, sex, and other issues that impact college campuses?

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Then TELL US what it is.

. I already posted the DOJ link. It equates to about 1 in 40, not 1 in 5. Still too high (as I already stated) but not a crisis.

You have clearly never worked in college admissions or read the crime data for some of the most popular colleges in the country.



"Despite every effort" is a common phrase that does not mean that every possible effort has been attempted. No campus will ever attempt or accomplish every possible effort. There will always be issues with budget, student naysayers, staff naysayers, faculty naysayers, community naysayers, and parent naysayers.

For example, there are parents who do not want campus crime incidents published; who prefer to have campus safety without having actual sworn law enforcement; and who do not want their "children" to take college courses on campus safety, binge drinking, and safe and consensual sex. So, you see how it can be impossible to override the naysayers.

But, have you researched the campus police and public safety of most college campuses to see their efforts? Did you know that some colleges have campus safety programs, courses, and departments? Did you know that some college campuses require classes on binge drinking, sex, and other issues that impact college campuses?

My husband has worked in higher ed on a college campus for 25 years. My 3 kids basically grew up on the campus. I'm very familiar with the culture.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by honorgal

I already posted the DOJ link. It equates to about 1 in 40, not 1 in 5. Still too high (as I already stated) but not a crisis.

As I was explaining in an earlier post, "data battles" always fail. When attempting to dispute data, you need to read and understand various data sources from differing years and understand the full contexts of the data.

Read this 2000 report, especially page 10 under "how extensive is rape among college women" paying particular attention to the paragraph beginning with "at first glance...": https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/182369.pdf

Read these:
http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/rape...s/welcome.aspx

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/rape...measuring.aspx

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/rape...-attacker.aspx

(speaking of cultural factors/correlates found in research) http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/rape...ased-risk.aspx

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/rape...ages/laws.aspx

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/rape...revention.aspx

For someone who claims not to care about MEANING, you sure are putting a lot of emphasis on "crisis" as though only you know the true meaning of "crisis". So, when does this become a "crisis"? Who gets to determine that?

Originally Posted by honorgal

My husband has worked in higher ed on a college campus for 25 years. My 3 kids basically grew up on the campus. I'm very familiar with the culture.

Is that your way of saying you already knew/agree with what I posted and you are just typing to be contrary? Thanks for finally admitting that.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

As I was explaining in an earlier post, "data battles" always fail. That's why laypersons tend to do "data battles" whereas most experts have realized the silliness of it all. You need to read and understand various data sources from differing years and understand the full contexts of the data.

Read this 2000 report, especially page 10 under "how extensive is rape among college women" paying particular attention to the paragraph beginning with "at first glance...": https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/182369.pdf

Read these:
http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/rape...s/welcome.aspx

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/rape...measuring.aspx

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/rape...-attacker.aspx

(speaking of cultural factors/correlates found in research) http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/rape...ased-risk.aspx

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/rape...ages/laws.aspx

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/rape...revention.aspx

For someone who claims not to care about MEANING, you sure are putting a lot of emphasis on "crisis" as though only you know the true meaning of "crisis". So, when does this become a "crisis"? Who gets to determine that?

Dr. Phil, the President and Vice President of the United States (among others) have declared it a crisis, citing the 1 in 5 statistic. It's been all over the news being declared a crisis. What in the heck are you babbling on about here?

Is that your way of saying you already knew/agree with what I posted and you are just typing to be contrary? Thanks for finally admitting that.

There you go again.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by honorgal

Dr. Phil, the President and Vice President of the United States (among others) have declared it a crisis, citing the 1 in 5 statistic. It's been all over the news being declared a crisis. What in the heck are you babbling on about here?

Is there more than one person typing under the "honorgal" username?

Do you not remember this whole debate stemming from YOU claiming the 1 in 5 statistic is incorrect? Do you not remember constantly claiming this is all exaggerated and there isn't really a "crisis"?

Speaking of babbling, remember your own words and stop running in circles.