Rec girl going through at Wake Forest this week!

[adpiucf]

I imagine there is more to the story than that. I imagine they interviewed and vetted their founding members before agreeing to absorb them as a new chapter. If they were satisfied, I see no reason why we should question their established practices. Anything that came after that initial vetting is their responsibility.

[TriDeltaSallie]

I have to say that you learn something every day. I had never even heard of KBG before this thread and they are HQ in Michigan! Go figure!

Their expansion packet is interesting. I was going to ask if they have any interest in becoming an NPC group, but from what they wrote in there is sounds like they are very happy to be independent of NPC and the necessary entanglements it brings (my words, not theirs).

Which leads me to ask.... Does anyone know of any groups that are working toward becoming a part of NPC?

[MaggieXi]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

I imagine there is more to the story than that. I imagine they interviewed and vetted their founding members before agreeing to absorb them as a new chapter. If they were satisfied, I see no reason why we should question their established practices. Anything that came after that initial vetting is their responsibility.

My Greek cousin was at Wake when Pi Phi was shut down and KBG came on it. From what I gather (and yes this is based on her account and my memory), it was a very quick. Pi Phi announced the closure in early August 2010. The former Pi Phi members contacted KBG and they were a colony less than a month later and installed by the end of the semester. I'm not sure how much "vetting" was actually done. But obviously that is KBGs business.

IMO, I think the fact that KBG immediately took on a group of women who were members of an organization one day and alums the next because of hazing is a questionable decision.

[33girl]

KBG is a national sorority that is nearly a hundred years old. To refer to them as "local" is incredibly offensive and there's no excuse for it if you know what you're talking about (which carnation does).

We had several threads about them, apparently they were working toward becoming NPC at one time, NPC went back on several promises they had made to help them, and KBG said eff you. Can't say as I blame them. If that's coming back to bite some NPC chapters in the ass now, so sad too bad - and yes, I would say the same thing no matter what NPC was involved. It might have been to Pi Phi's benefit to keep their chapter open-but-not-open (i.e. have the pledge class stay active sisters but not really do anything) and then recolonize in a year as allowed by the Green Book. If they didn't want to do that - i.e. if they thought not just that group of women but the school is irreperably messed up - being a dog in the manger is just lame.

Pinky657 - if KBG doesn't have a voice in Panhel meetings, then I'm guessing they don't participate in formal rush either?

[carnation]

Pi Phi is unlikely to go back and have anything to do with the KBG chapter. There's a huuuge story which I can't put out here but as long as the KBGs aren't trying to continue to use the Pi Phi name and symbols (and there have been some problems), they won't be hearing from Pi Phi again.

But yes, the KBGs magically appeared a very short time later because some parents wanted their daughters to continue to be Greek. I was told that little if any "vetting" occurred.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by carnation

Pi Phi is unlikely to go back and have anything to do with the KBG chapter. There's a huuuge story which I can't put out here but as long as the KBGs aren't trying to continue to use the Pi Phi name and symbols (and there have been some problems), they won't be hearing from Pi Phi again.

But yes, the KBGs magically appeared a very short time later because some parents wanted their daughters to continue to be Greek. I was told that little if any "vetting" occurred.

Then why couldn't they just be a local Wake Forest Greek? Are these parents that are hung up on their daughters being affiliated with a certain group, or are they just parents who don't want their daughters to go the rest of the way through school without a sorority? I mean, if I would have been one of these girls, my parents wouldn't have given a shit what any new group I was part of was called, just so I could participate in the campus Greek life.

[carnation]

Check the Mods' Forum, 33, but yes--the locals had such a bad rep at Wake that they were all forced to go national a few years back.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by carnation

Check the Mods' Forum, 33, but yes--the locals had such a bad rep at Wake that they were all forced to go national a few years back.

If the locals had that bad a rep, why did national sororities admit such women into their bonds to begin with?

The concept of a national organization = magic fairy pixie dust never ceases to amaze me. If people haze when they are locally affiliated, they'll haze when they're nationally, regionally or universally affilated, unless the national group majorly cleans house and keeps an eye on them (as in, a live-in eye) for the first several years. Organizations are made up of humans. Humans are what haze, not organizations.

[Pinky657]

33 girl- Though KBG does not have a voice in panhel, they still participate in formal recruitment.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Yeah, it just seems a bit naive, that's all.

I agree with you. And in hindsight, I am sure some of the NPCs do too.

Originally Posted by Pinky657

33 girl- Though KBG does not have a voice in panhel, they still participate in formal recruitment.

Interesting. While it is not unusual that some colleges require non-affiliated (as in with a national council) sororities to belong to the campus panhellenic council – often as an associate member - they normally do not participate in formal NPC recruitment. They may have a limited “voice”, but mainly with regards to general GLO business.

I find it odd that a non NPC chapter - that has "no voice in the panhellenic council" - would participate in formal NPC recruitment. Why do they do so? Are they a member (associate member perhaps) of the Wake College Panhellenic Council and are required to participate? And are they included in things like quota and chapter total?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by TSteven

I agree with you. And in hindsight, I am sure some of the NPCs do too.



Interesting. While it is not unusual that some colleges require non-affiliated (as in with a national council) sororities to belong to the campus panhellenic council – often as an associate member - they normally do not participate in formal NPC recruitment. They may have a limited “voice”, but mainly with regards to general GLO business.

I find it odd that a non NPC chapter - that has "no voice in the panhellenic council" - would participate in formal NPC recruitment. Why do they do so? Are they a member (associate member perhaps) of the Wake College Panhellenic Council and are required to participate? And are they included in things like quota and chapter total?

I think they probably participate despite having no voice because they continue to recruit strongly. If that changed, they would likely stop participating in formal recruitment.