Rec girl going through at Wake Forest this week!

[Xidelt]

I'm with Sigmagirl10. Carnation's comment wasn't necessary.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by sigmagirl10

As a member of a (different, not KBG) non-NPC national sorority, I have to say that the continued reference to KBG as a local, or saying things like the above in bold (even if not intended this way), is really starting to bother me. I know that KBG nationally is working hard to expand and I'm sure that members of KBG (at WF or in any other chapter) don't appreciate being referred to as a local. I understand that for most people on this board, NPC is the main frame of reference, and that's fine--but let's not de-legitimize other national sororities.

As one of the ones who made a gaffe (while actually TRYING to say the right thing - see below), I sincerely apologize.

Since KBG's chapters are clustered in the NE and upper midwest (seems from their website, anyway) I've honestly never heard of them until this thread. I've heard of dozens of non-NPC groups (that are still national) but this one has escaped me until now. Since WFU was founded with locals (that then were absorbed by NPC groups) it "felt" like KBG should be a local. Does that make sense?

Originally Posted by shirley1929

Ok, because I know very little about how locals (or in this case, non-nationals) work...

I should have said "Non-NPC" and yet I was trying to say it right.

Originally Posted by carnation

Given that KBG chapter's past history, it seems doubtful that a national would touch them. Also, some of the older girls are Pi Phi alums.

My hunch is that Carnation's comment was in the same vein as mine.

[carnation]

Originally Posted by Xidelt

I'm with Sigmagirl10. Carnation's comment wasn't necessary.

Yes, it was. I know what happened and I have heard comments from execs of many NPC groups who have said exactly what I said. Some awful things happened at Wake Forest and can mostly be traced back to the group wanting to retain some traditions they used as a local which are completely unacceptable to NPCs.

[sigmagirl10]

Originally Posted by carnation

Yes, it was. I know what happened and I have heard comments from execs of many NPC groups who have said exactly what I said. Some awful things happened at Wake Forest and can mostly be traced back to the group wanting to retain some traditions they used as a local which are completely unacceptable to NPCs.

My issue isn't that you don't think any NPC would touch the chapter given their history--I trust that you know about this unfortunate situation, and I wouldn't dare to express my opinion about a situation I don't know anything about. My issue is the terminology you and others have chosen to use when referring to the chapter currently known as KBG. They are a national sorority, so if NPC is what you mean when you say "national", please say NPC.

shirley1929, no worries, and I think I understand what you meant.

[UNCalum]

I think Carnation was talking about the actual local society that started in the 1940's and 1950's. It was created as an alternative to Tassels, the honor society at the time. Several others came about (SOPHs, Fideles, etc.). Friends of mine that went to WFU in the 80's say the Strings were considered the wild ones....and I think they had some questionable rituals and traditions that bordered on hazing. Evidently when Pi Beta Phi absorbed them, they continued Strings traditions.

Carnation, correct me if I'm wrong!

[carnation]

UNCAlum, you're exactly right!

[Old_Row]

Why would a small national not-NPC sorority take a group that was dropped by an NPC sorority for hazing and that retained the same members? Is that normal? It seems to me that a smaller group would have a lot more to lose if there was future hazing and someone got hurt or something?

[adpiucf]

I imagine there is more to the story than that. I imagine they interviewed and vetted their founding members before agreeing to absorb them as a new chapter. If they were satisfied, I see no reason why we should question their established practices. Anything that came after that initial vetting is their responsibility.