Rec girl going through at Wake Forest this week!

[carnation]

Originally Posted by Xidelt

I'm with Sigmagirl10. Carnation's comment wasn't necessary.

Yes, it was. I know what happened and I have heard comments from execs of many NPC groups who have said exactly what I said. Some awful things happened at Wake Forest and can mostly be traced back to the group wanting to retain some traditions they used as a local which are completely unacceptable to NPCs.

[sigmagirl10]

Originally Posted by carnation

Yes, it was. I know what happened and I have heard comments from execs of many NPC groups who have said exactly what I said. Some awful things happened at Wake Forest and can mostly be traced back to the group wanting to retain some traditions they used as a local which are completely unacceptable to NPCs.

My issue isn't that you don't think any NPC would touch the chapter given their history--I trust that you know about this unfortunate situation, and I wouldn't dare to express my opinion about a situation I don't know anything about. My issue is the terminology you and others have chosen to use when referring to the chapter currently known as KBG. They are a national sorority, so if NPC is what you mean when you say "national", please say NPC.

shirley1929, no worries, and I think I understand what you meant.

[UNCalum]

I think Carnation was talking about the actual local society that started in the 1940's and 1950's. It was created as an alternative to Tassels, the honor society at the time. Several others came about (SOPHs, Fideles, etc.). Friends of mine that went to WFU in the 80's say the Strings were considered the wild ones....and I think they had some questionable rituals and traditions that bordered on hazing. Evidently when Pi Beta Phi absorbed them, they continued Strings traditions.

Carnation, correct me if I'm wrong!

[carnation]

UNCAlum, you're exactly right!

[Old_Row]

Why would a small national not-NPC sorority take a group that was dropped by an NPC sorority for hazing and that retained the same members? Is that normal? It seems to me that a smaller group would have a lot more to lose if there was future hazing and someone got hurt or something?

[adpiucf]

I imagine there is more to the story than that. I imagine they interviewed and vetted their founding members before agreeing to absorb them as a new chapter. If they were satisfied, I see no reason why we should question their established practices. Anything that came after that initial vetting is their responsibility.

[TriDeltaSallie]

I have to say that you learn something every day. I had never even heard of KBG before this thread and they are HQ in Michigan! Go figure!

Their expansion packet is interesting. I was going to ask if they have any interest in becoming an NPC group, but from what they wrote in there is sounds like they are very happy to be independent of NPC and the necessary entanglements it brings (my words, not theirs).

Which leads me to ask.... Does anyone know of any groups that are working toward becoming a part of NPC?

[MaggieXi]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

I imagine there is more to the story than that. I imagine they interviewed and vetted their founding members before agreeing to absorb them as a new chapter. If they were satisfied, I see no reason why we should question their established practices. Anything that came after that initial vetting is their responsibility.

My Greek cousin was at Wake when Pi Phi was shut down and KBG came on it. From what I gather (and yes this is based on her account and my memory), it was a very quick. Pi Phi announced the closure in early August 2010. The former Pi Phi members contacted KBG and they were a colony less than a month later and installed by the end of the semester. I'm not sure how much "vetting" was actually done. But obviously that is KBGs business.

IMO, I think the fact that KBG immediately took on a group of women who were members of an organization one day and alums the next because of hazing is a questionable decision.