University of Mississippi (Ole Miss) 2012 Recruitment

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

It makes perfect sense to me. Chapters at, say, William & Mary really don't need to worry about dummies in their pledge classes. (I'm trying to think of the most selective schools with fall rush.) Everybody there killed it in high school and has top SAT/ACT scores too. Everybody there is serious about academics. On the other hand, there are women at Ole Miss who are really not ready for a four-year college, or who will only be able to handle it if they put all their focus on studying. So naturally the chapters have to be very concerned about that.

Exactly. I doubt there are any warnings about high school GPAs under 2.79 anywhere on W&M's site.

[MaryPoppins]

What Hartof SEC said ^^^. RFM has the effect of leveling the playing field for all Chapters, because high quality PNMs are going to be released from the SRCs early, freeing the PNMs to consider worthy Chapters that may not have been on their radar before. Special Snowflakes who may have never been denied their big fish in a small pond status, prior to Ole Miss, may very well have to adjust their attitudes or choose not to be Greek at all.

[HQWest]

Love it MP!

One thing I have to throw in - for several NPC groups there is a minimum incoming GPA below which the IHQ will not allow someone to be initiated. Back in the day, when initiation wasn't until the 2nd semester, you could be held over until the 3rd semester to bring your grades up and be initiated. Now with schools encouraging shorter pledge periods all chapters might have to go on is high school GPA to predict whether someone will be able to maintain good scholastic standing and still be an active participant. (Its after all - still an honor society.)

CPCs want to be friendly and inclusive so the minimum GPA to rush is often lower than what some of the chapters have to have to be square with their executives. A chapter that has problems maintaining overall standing with grades might have had that minimum number increased to help improve their standing.

Translation: No matter how adorable your triple legacy SGA President/cheerleader/soup kitchen founder is there is a minimum GPA that I CANNOT allow her to be initiated, so we are being nice to try to cut those women early.

[MaryPoppins]

Amen ^^^

[Hartofsec]

(speaking only for myself, of course, and thinking out loud) If my daughter had a GPA in the 2s, I would be very concerned about her success in college during her first year – at a party school -- and especially with the added commitments that come with sorority membership.

If my daughter had a GPA in the low 2s, I would probably have her exercise a community college option with the possibility of transfer after a year (depending on her grades).

I wouldn’t want my daughter to do irreparable damage to her GPA the first year -- this could significantly limit her options later. Students applying to post-graduate and professional programs may be applying immediately after their junior year when these app cycles open, and GPAs are a lot easier to take down than bring up in a three-year period of time.

^Applying to grad school or a professional program is a lot like rush, actually. Great grades won’t guarantee you a seat, but less-than-stellar grades can take you out of consideration (or at least substantially limit your options).

[MaryPoppins]

^^^Preach!

[MaryPoppins]

Ole Miss may lose the Football Game, but we NEVER lose a party.

[MaryPoppins]

Bid Day has been confirmed as 3:00 p.m. on Sunday the 23rd of September, 2012

[Giddy]

A young woman graduating from a Mississippi high school that doesn't have a 3.0 is going to have a hard time at college -- let alone in a sorority. Panhellenic/IFC rules calculate GPA using all 4 years of HS grades. College admissions over-weight sophmore and junior year (and first half of senior year) grades knowing some kids don't catch-fire until the last half of high school. Honors college admissions over-weight HS grades from competitive high schools. They particularly favor boarding schools. So Miss Porters and Maderia trumps Jackson HS.

No one on this thread knows exactly what's happening in those chapters. So while discretion may be the better part of valour -- and agree that mother could use a dose -- it's also easier for a PNM to accept she was cut for grades rather than some other more "personal" attribute. Sometimes a figleaf is a good thing. I happen to think kindness is the better part of valour. This thread could use some.

[DubaiSis]

There are other websites out there where you are welcome to blow sunshine up a rushee's arse. Here we tell the cold, unvarnished truth. Rush is hard and there are a myriad of reasons why a girl gets cut. If you give her the fabulously gentle answer, this girl is never going to grow into the realistic adult she needs to become. Rush at a school this competitive is the time to put on your big girl pants and accept that you are not the special snowflake that everyone loves.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by MaryPoppins

Ole Miss may lose the Football Game, but they NEVER lose a party.

^^^ Sounds a lot like my alma mater, as well!

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

There are other websites out there where you are welcome to blow sunshine up a rushee's arse.

eww. Now ^that certainly would be dirty rushing.

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by MaryPoppins

Ole Miss may lose the Football Game, but they NEVER lose a party.

All while enjoying one of the prettiest campuses ever. I love ^that battle cry.

I still can't get accustomed to Bears, however.

[MaryPoppins]

Originally Posted by MaryPoppins

Ole Miss may lose the Football Game, but they NEVER lose a party.

Even Texas understands:
http://austin.culturemap.com/newsdet...e-at-ole-miss/

[WCsweet<3]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

There are other websites out there where you are welcome to blow sunshine up a rushee's arse. Here we tell the cold, unvarnished truth. Rush is hard and there are a myriad of reasons why a girl gets cut. If you give her the fabulously gentle answer, this girl is never going to grow into the realistic adult she needs to become. Rush at a school this competitive is the time to put on your big girl pants and accept that you are not the special snowflake that everyone loves.

I am not sure who you are addressing with this post, but as my post was not agreed with I'm tempted to think you were directing it towards me. If not, please disregard this post.
I never meant to say anything about special snowflakes although I can see how my post can easily be interpreted that way. I used poor examples to illuminate my argument. Ones that in the end did not make sense. My arguments: don't pick out houses that will cut based on grades day 1. You won't know that unless you attend membership selection. Honestly, most likely every chapter cut someone for grades after round one. I also think its crap to assume that chapters with the highest GPA on campus will correspond to the chapters with the highest GPA requirement.

In short, everything below is what I (very very poorly) was trying to say.

Originally Posted by 33girl

Unless you are sitting in on membership selection sessions, you do not know FOR SURE why women were cut. PERIOD.

And I never thought I'd agree with Hartofsec on anything, but she is right in that you really need to shut your pie hole as far as "my daughter's chapter does this" and "my daughter's chapter does that." If she shared confidential sorority business with you, I sincerely doubt she meant for you to spew it all over an internet message board.

Is it common knowledge that women with lower grades will get cut from more groups sooner? Yes. Is it appropriate to list names of chapters and why you think they will cut for ANYTHING? NO.

This isn't that site that you disparaged for "stupid myths." We try really hard to be Panhellenic and NOT repeat chapter gossip, reputations or why this chpater or that chapter cuts someone. If you don't get that, this isn't the site for you.

Originally Posted by 33girl

Unless you are sitting in the membership selection sessions for all these chapters, you have NO idea why women were cut. I know you're trying to help, but advice like this gets turned on its head to "well, I have a 3.7, I'll have NO problem getting to the second round with Phi Mu."