University of Mississippi (Ole Miss) 2012 Recruitment

[33girl]

Originally Posted by newgreekmommy

if she doesn't have a 3.0, she may be cut from as many as 4 (or more) houses right after round 1 (Chi O, DDD for sure... KD, Kappa usually, Phi Mu and DG may as well).

Unless you are sitting in the membership selection sessions for all these chapters, you have NO idea why women were cut. I know you're trying to help, but advice like this gets turned on its head to "well, I have a 3.7, I'll have NO problem getting to the second round with Phi Mu."

[newgreekmommy]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Unless you are sitting in the membership selection sessions for all these chapters, you have NO idea why women were cut. I know you're trying to help, but advice like this gets turned on its head to "well, I have a 3.7, I'll have NO problem getting to the second round with Phi Mu."

If I wasn't clear, I was trying to explain that no matter what a girl does, there's a 99% chance she will be cut from a certain number of houses after round 1... and it's 100% because of grades. With as many girls as they have going through, the first way certain houses cut is by grades.

Don't believe me... just look at some of the chapter websites... it says right on the websites... "must have a minimum 3.0". This is not Ole Miss' minimum, it's the house minimum.

From what I understand, my daughter's sorority can waive the 3.0 for a tiny number of girls before rush starts for certain legacies or top girls, but that's before rush starts.

[Always AlphaGam]

Originally Posted by newgreekmommy

If I wasn't clear, I was trying to explain that no matter what a girl does, there's a 99% chance she will be cut from a certain number of houses after round 1... and it's 100% because of grades. With as many girls as they have going through, the first way certain houses cut is by grades.

Don't believe me... just look at some of the chapter websites... it says right on the websites... "must have a minimum 3.0". This is not Ole Miss' minimum, it's the house minimum.

From what I understand, my daughter's sorority can waive the 3.0 for a tiny number of girls before rush starts for certain legacies or top girls, but that's before rush starts.

Stop. Just STOP.

[WCsweet<3]

Originally Posted by newgreekmommy

If I wasn't clear, I was trying to explain that no matter what a girl does, there's a 99% chance she will be cut from a certain number of houses after round 1... and it's 100% because of grades. With as many girls as they have going through, the first way certain houses cut is by grades.

Don't believe me... just look at some of the chapter websites... it says right on the websites... "must have a minimum 3.0". This is not Ole Miss' minimum, it's the house minimum.

From what I understand, my daughter's sorority can waive the 3.0 for a tiny number of girls before rush starts for certain legacies or top girls, but that's before rush starts.

And I can guarantee that you cannot know that unless you sit in membership selection with each chapter. Chapters will take grade risks. Sometimes there are other reasons why PNMs are dropped. Also, what happens in your daughter's chapter is not complete for all chapters.

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by WCsweet<3

And I can guarantee that you cannot know that unless you sit in membership selection with each chapter. Chapters will take grade risks. Sometimes there are other reasons why PNMs are dropped. Also, what happens in your daughter's chapter is not complete for all chapters.

I think it is fairly widely known that that PNMs who have less than a 3.0 will very likely have fewer options in a competitive recruitment process. And frankly, I think it is a lot kinder for them to be aware of this on the front end of rush, so that they don't feel 'rejected' thinking that they were dropped for reasons more personal.

Chapters do take "grade risks" (though sometimes very very few) -- but how many, what is considered a "grade risk," and the circumstances may vary greatly among chapters.

The chapter GPAs are often listed by the Greek Affairs/Greek Life office. One can see which chapters cluster toward the top of chapter GPAs -- and these are often the chapters where a PNM with a low GPA is more likely to be released (of course, nothing is always true without exception -- just speaking in general terms here).

Ole Miss:

http://dos.orgsync.com/org/umgreeks/scholarship

[WCsweet<3]

Originally Posted by Hartofsec

I think it is fairly widely known that that PNMs who have less than a 3.0 will very likely have fewer options in a competitive recruitment process. And frankly, I think it is a lot kinder for them to be aware of this on the front end of rush, so that they don't feel 'rejected' thinking that they were dropped for reasons more personal.

Chapters do take "grade risks" (though sometimes very very few) -- but how many, what is considered a "grade risk," and under what circumstances may vary greatly among chapters.

The chapter GPAs are often listed by the Greek Affairs/Greek Life office. One can see which chapters cluster toward the top of chapter GPAs -- and these are often the chapters where a PNM with a low GPA is more likely to be released (of course, nothing is always true without exception -- just speaking in general terms here).

Ole Miss:

http://dos.orgsync.com/org/umgreeks/scholarship

My complaint is calling out specific chapters. Anyone who is at all is familiar with Ole Miss recruitment will know grades are a huge factor. However, calling out specific chapters is crap even if they have the higher GPAs. For all we know the ones with lower GPAs may be all science majors while the others have lighter class load majors/majors that don't kill you in the same way. We can guess the reason women are dropped is due to grades, but there is no way to know why SPECIFIC CHAPTERS drop women other than making assumptions.

[MaryPoppins]

Originally Posted by WCsweet<3

My complaint is calling out specific chapters. Anyone who is at all is familiar with Ole Miss recruitment will know grades are a huge factor. However, calling out specific chapters is crap even if they have the higher GPAs. For all we know the ones with lower GPAs may be all science majors while the others have lighter class load majors/majors that don't kill you in the same way. We can guess the reason women are dropped is due to grades, but there is no way to know why SPECIFIC CHAPTERS drop women other than making assumptions.

If one were to go back to the first page of this thread, it's made quite clear that 3.0 is pretty much the minimum GPA if you want to be a female Greek at Ole Miss. If a PNM somehow makes it to bid day with less than a 3.0, there must have been very special circumstances which cannot be replicated with any reliability by any other special snowflake due to MSM factors.

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by WCsweet<3

My complaint is calling out specific chapters. Anyone who is at all is familiar with Ole Miss recruitment will know grades are a huge factor. However, calling out specific chapters is crap even if they have the higher GPAs. For all we know the ones with lower GPAs may be all science majors while the others have lighter class load majors/majors that don't kill you in the same way. We can guess the reason women are dropped is due to grades, but there is no way to know why SPECIFIC CHAPTERS drop women other than making assumptions.

I think speculating that any large chapter may be “all science majors” or have “lighter class loads” really is a stretch.


The reality in any competitive recruitment – as I understand it -- is that chapters with the highest return rates (these chapters may be known as strong rushing chapters, highly desired chapters, chapters-that-shall-not-be-named, or whatever) must also release the highest number of PNMs each round. After one or two 20 to 30 minutes parties, it is not likely that the chapter actives have come to know PNMs much beyond what is on paper. Therefore, an objective criterion (grades) is a way to pare down the invitations, and those chapters making the most cuts will disappear from the invite lists of more PNMs.

The Ole Miss recruitment site has information regarding grades very prominently displayed (and in bold):


There is currently no GPA requirement to participate in formal recruitment set by the University of Mississippi. This does not, however, apply to the chapters' individual requirements to extent a bid. The chapter average to extend a bid is a 3.0 GPA. Women who have below a 3.0 GPA are advised that they are at a greater risk to be released from the process. With the amount of women that go through the formal recruitment process, GPA tends to be an easy way for the chapters to begin to manage the numbers. Being released from recruitment or receiving a bid through the process is due to a wide variety of factors that are ultimately up to the chapters. GPA is only one of those factors, but there is much weight placed on GPA. To reiterate, women with below a 3.0 are at a greater risk of release. Women who have below a 3.0 GPA are advised to participate in the formal recruitment process the following year after taking a year to get acclimated to the University and achieving in the classroom.

GPA Zones: Green Zone = your options are not likely to be limited based on GPA. Yellow Zone = your options are more likely to be limited by GPA. Red Zone = your options are very likely to be limited based on GPA.


Green Zone (aka Safe Zone): 3.0+
Yellow Zone: 2.8-2.99
Red Zone: 2.79 and Below


http://dos.orgsync.com/org/umgreeks/npcrecruitment

[33girl]

Originally Posted by newgreekmommy

If I wasn't clear, I was trying to explain that no matter what a girl does, there's a 99% chance she will be cut from a certain number of houses after round 1... and it's 100% because of grades. With as many girls as they have going through, the first way certain houses cut is by grades.

Unless you are sitting in on membership selection sessions, you do not know FOR SURE why women were cut. PERIOD.

And I never thought I'd agree with Hartofsec on anything, but she is right in that you really need to shut your pie hole as far as "my daughter's chapter does this" and "my daughter's chapter does that." If she shared confidential sorority business with you, I sincerely doubt she meant for you to spew it all over an internet message board.

Is it common knowledge that women with lower grades will get cut from more groups sooner? Yes. Is it appropriate to list names of chapters and why you think they will cut for ANYTHING? NO.

This isn't that site that you disparaged for "stupid myths." We try really hard to be Panhellenic and NOT repeat chapter gossip, reputations or why this chpater or that chapter cuts someone. If you don't get that, this isn't the site for you.