U of Alabama Fall 2012 Recruitment Dates - Page 6

28StGreek · #76 07-14-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Because they just don't know. I am pretty sure that my mom never even wrote me a legacy introduction form for her group.

A colleague's daughter rushed at an SEC school a few years ago, and declined my offer for a rec, because the website says you don't need them (I wrote in anyway, but with obviously limited info).

In the internet age, I find it hard to accept that a PNM may just not know. Especially if they (or their parents) have to fork out at least $100 to register I would hope they put some effort into researching what they are signing up for. Being the OCD person I am, I looked up the undergraduate registration fee for Alabama admission and thats $40.

Then again if these PNMs don't have the tenacity to bother to look these things up maybe thats another way to narrow the incredibly large numbers.

The large numbers has made me wonder what the SRC program at Bama is like. Has anyone on GC been one recently? They must have so many each fall that Sigma Rho Chi could be their own mini-sorority at Bama!

ComradesTrue · #77 07-14-2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 28StGreek

In the internet age, I find it hard to accept that a PNM may just not know.

Because they hear/believe what they WANT to hear/believe.

Ninety-nine people may tell them to get recs. However, if one person (or website) says that they aren't necessary, then that is what they will hear and believe. They want the path of least resistance and the path that will get their 18-year old self to the pool the fastest.

I talk with my PNMs/rec crew until I am blue in the face about what to provide me in a resume and what type of pictures to send in. I explain in detail that I can't help them if they don't help me. It does absolutely no good. They do what they want to do and think they have all the answers.

Then they go to the pool.

At least they will have nice suntanned bodies when they get their harsh cuts.

DeltaBetaBaby · #78 07-14-2012, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 28StGreek

In the internet age, I find it hard to accept that a PNM may just not know. Especially if they (or their parents) have to fork out at least $100 to register I would hope they put some effort into researching what they are signing up for. Being the ASD/OCD person I am, I looked up the undergraduate registration fee for Alabama admission and thats $40.

Then again if these PNMs don't have the tenacity to bother to look these things up maybe thats another way to narrow the incredibly large numbers.

Where is it that they are supposed to get this information, though? Hopefully they stumble across GC, but you will not find good info about obtaining recs on greek life websites nor on the sites of any of the NPC orgs. Basically, your argument is that women rushing should ignore official sources in favor of listening to strangers on the internet.

28StGreek · #79 07-14-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Basically, your argument is that women rushing should ignore official sources in favor of listening to strangers on the internet.

Good point! Hmmmm I guess I don't have a good alternative to what I suggested.

Titchou · #80 07-14-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Where is it that they are supposed to get this information, though? Hopefully they stumble across GC, but you will not find good info about obtaining recs on greek life websites nor on the sites of any of the NPC orgs. Basically, your argument is that women rushing should ignore official sources in favor of listening to strangers on the internet.

I don't think that's so. They tell you the recs are required - at least the ones we are talking about - SEC schools, etc. It's how to get them that they may not know. But when we lay it out for them and they still balk, well, no sympathy here. Sorry. I could do it for you - but I'm not going to. I did it for myself back in the day and once is enough. (no daughters) But I will tell you what to do and how to do it. And if i know you personally or agree to sponsor you and I'm feeling generous I'll ask if you need any others I can help you get. The rest is up to you.

HQWest · #81 07-14-2012, 03:31 PM

What? You mean the system favors people who already have a friend or a family member in the system?

What I find harder to understand is why a girl who has never met anyone in a sorority ever not even in passing long enough to remember they are in a sorority would be so determined to join a sorority?

KSUViolet06 · #82 07-14-2012, 03:52 PM

A lot of times, it's the "to do" thing for seniors in their HS, from their sports teams, etc. So they figure they're going to do it too, not realizing how much effort it takes if you're a first gen. greek or first gen. college student with few sources for recs.

BamaGirlPNM · #83 07-14-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

A lot of times, it's the "to do" thing for seniors in their HS, from their sports teams, etc. So they figure they're going to do it too, not realizing how much effort it takes if you're a first gen. greek or first gen. college student with few sources for recs.

I second this. Spring semester of senior year it's a huge discussion topic among girls and many perceive sorority life just as a way to party or be popular. They really don't understand the process or what it's all about they just sign up.

DeltaBetaBaby · #84 07-14-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Titchou

I don't think that's so. They tell you the recs are required - at least the ones we are talking about - SEC schools, etc. It's how to get them that they may not know. But when we lay it out for them and they still balk, well, no sympathy here. Sorry. I could do it for you - but I'm not going to. I did it for myself back in the day and once is enough. (no daughters) But I will tell you what to do and how to do it. And if i know you personally or agree to sponsor you and I'm feeling generous I'll ask if you need any others I can help you get. The rest is up to you.

Oh, sure. I was responding to posters above who were incredulous that women would not have all of their recs in order months in advance. Plenty of people don't know better, and the fact of the matter is that neither the schools nor the individual NPC groups do a good job of clearly dispensing the information these women need.

AZTheta · #85 07-14-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by arrowlady

Had a classmate of D's (we're from Texas) ask me to write for her for Alabama. Told her I would be happy to as she is a really sweet girl and just beautiful. Got her resume and was

shocked at her grades. A 2.7 eek.. I did send it but told her not to expect full schedules due to the amount of girls, being OOS and grades. She told me its ok she has 2 friends in one of the houses and they will get her in their house.. Hope it all works out, I know her friends are telling her this stuff.. Worries me though.

This statement caught my eye. This behavior by actives is one of the ways sororities can and do get verbally thrased/trashed by PNMs. I know of it first-hand, and not just for my own chapter. PNMs are "promised invites/we'll get you in" by their active friends, and boy does it get ugly when the PNM gets released after Open House rounds. Hell hath no fury like a PNM with internet access who has been released from recruitment.

GPA is a hard and fast line, notwithstanding those chapters that may permit "grade exceptions" (and don't get me started on that topic).

future pnmmom · #86 07-14-2012, 07:37 PM

IF A SORORITY REQUIRES A POTENTIAL MEMBER TO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE INDIVIDUAL SORORITY TO OBTAIN A RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU.
"Just remember that once you register for recruitment, each sorority will receive a copy of your information. If they do not have a recommendation for you already, they will use the information you have provided to find a recommendation for you."

I copied this from Auburn's Panhellinic website. If girls don't know someone personally with sorority experience, then I can see why they wouldn't think they need to secure recs. Or why they ask at the last minute if someone finally did clue them in that they do.

Titchou · #87 07-14-2012, 08:19 PM

It is true that it's the sorority's responsibility to get the rec. The reality is that with 1200-2000 PNMs registering between June 1 and August 1, it is physically impossible for the chapters at these "recs are required" schools to get them. The PNMs know in the spring that they are going to Big SEC U and that they are probably going to go thru recruitment. So it behooves them to take the task on themselves - otherwise, they fall thru the proverbial crack. It's just reality. I don't think any of us who live this think it's necessarily right it just is what it is. The chapters do try to get them but if you truly want to be considered by all the chapters, your best bet is to do it yourself. Welcome to the real world.

carnation · #88 07-14-2012, 08:20 PM

What she said. Plus I can't even imagine scrambling around for recs for the last minute registrants.

33girl · #89 07-14-2012, 09:02 PM

The blurb futurepnmmom posted would be a little better if it said "they will use the information you have provided to try to find a recommendation for you." In other words, if they don't succeed when they try, you are SOL.

KSUViolet06 · #90 07-14-2012, 10:00 PM

Or even "they will try, but recognize that with approximately 2,000 PNMs in recruitment, it is not feasible for the chapters to secure them for all PNMs. For this reason, it is advised that you attempt to secure your own recs."

Unfortunately, if it said that, I can GUARANTEE you that some PNMs/parents won't listen.

People like to think that they're the exception and that "of course the chapter will secure a rec for ME because I'm special."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the women for whom the chapters tend to get recs are those well-known PNMs who maybe are (for some odd reason) missing one. Or one who is well-connected (e.g. friends with members from HS and is on the chapter's radar) but somehow missing one.