"Taking someone else's spot"

[SWTXBelle]

I'm also tired of posters acting as if recruitment has not been improved. It has, it will continue to be, and to act as though recruitment is the same as rush was a 100 years ago indicates a real lack of knowledge as to what modern recruitment is. We hear from many of those for whom recruitment did not work because those for whom it did are BUSY WITH THEIR SISTERS - not to mention the human tendency for people to complain when things go wrong, and not acknowledge when things go well. Look at the numbers - the vast majority of pnms WILL find a home and WILL have a positive Greek experience.

eta - As far as I know, Titchou, collegiate panhellenics have to submit their recruitment rules to the area panhellenic adviser, so she would already be aware of the requirement to attend all parties. Please correct me if my experience is not true of every campus.

[AOII Angel]

I have to tell you, I just sat through a testimonial from a sister last night who was telling her chapter sisters not to discount girls who may have been disinterested early in the process. She didn't want us and cried when she got her bid, but in her own words, "I fell in love with all these wonderful women and I wouldn't have it any other way." She'd have been robbed of sisterhood and a wonderful experience without this system.

[SWTXBelle]

MEMBERSHIP selection is mutual - the chapter has to want the pnm; the pnm has to want the chapter. The chapter indicates they want a pnm by including her on their bid list(s) and inviting her to pref; a pnm indicates she wants a chapter by listing it (them) on her bid card. If she doesn't want a chapter she simply need not put it on her card - she runs a risk of not being placed at all. If a chapter doesn't want a pnm it will not invite her to pref.

PARTY selection is not mutual - all chapters have to invite all pnms to the first round; sometimes pnms have to go to all the parties to which they are invited. I don't see having to sit through a party for an hour at a chapter you might think you are not interested in as some horrible, awful torture pnms are forced to endure.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

MEMBERSHIP selection is mutual - the chapter has to want the pnm; the pnm has to want the chapter. The chapter indicates they want a pnm by including her on their bid list(s) and inviting her to pref; a pnm indicates she wants a chapter by listing it (them) on her bid card. If she doesn't want a chapter she simply need not put it on her card - she runs a risk of not being placed at all. If a chapter doesn't want a pnm it will not invite her to pref.

PARTY selection is not mutual - all chapters have to invite all pnms to the first round; sometimes pnms have to go to all the parties to which they are invited. I don't see having to sit through a party for an hour at a chapter you might think you are not interested in as some horrible, awful torture pnms are forced to endure.

This....and since "we" are the organization which "owns" the thing the PNM wants and we can "give" it away, we should get to choose to whom we give it. If not then we could all be members of one or more groups. Hey, let's belong to all of them! Then it's not so special any longer...

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

MEMBERSHIP selection is mutual - the chapter has to want the pnm; the pnm has to want the chapter. The chapter indicates they want a pnm by including her on their bid list(s) and inviting her to pref; a pnm indicates she wants a chapter by listing it (them) on her bid card. If she doesn't want a chapter she simply need not put it on her card - she runs a risk of not being placed at all. If a chapter doesn't want a pnm it will not invite her to pref.

PARTY selection is not mutual - all chapters have to invite all pnms to the first round; sometimes pnms have to go to all the parties to which they are invited. I don't see having to sit through a party for an hour at a chapter you might think you are not interested in as some horrible, awful torture pnms are forced to endure.

Thank you, you have said this so well!

I did some math in another thread showing how a lower quota often helps a small chapter. If that small chapter wanted to release a ton of women to make quota artificially low, everyone else on campus would be outraged. The same is true when a PNM wants to skip parties. RFM requires everyone to play the game properly on both sides.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

PARTY selection is not mutual - all chapters have to invite all pnms to the first round; sometimes pnms have to go to all the parties to which they are invited. I don't see having to sit through a party for an hour at a chapter you might think you are not interested in as some horrible, awful torture pnms are forced to endure.

Exactly. Yes, the sorority members (or the PNMs, for that matter) might not be "your style" but for the love of all that's holy, you are going to have to learn to converse and be polite with people who are "not your style" at some point in your life. If you think every community meeting and work situation is going to be filled with people who are just like you who you'll be blabbing away intimately with in 2.5 seconds, you're in for a very rude awakening.

If the worst thing that happens to you ever is that you have to spend 20 minutes at a party with a girl who has nothing to say, your life is pretty easy peasy. To say that PNMs shouldn't have to go through it is just making the "entitlement generation" even worse.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by 33girl

If the worst thing that happens to you ever is that you have to spend 20 minutes at a party with a girl who has nothing to say, your life is pretty easy peasy. To say that PNMs shouldn't have to go through it is just making the "entitlement generation" even worse.

Amen!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DGTess

As I said, some have so kindly* reminded me I didn't go through the type of formal rush that some, or most, schools now use.

You're really passive aggressive, did you know that?

I know I don't have a say; that's what happens in any representative form of government.

This isn't government.

So you have your opinion, and I have mine. I'll not silence mine.

Get off the cross, build a bridge and get over it.
Seriously stop with the martyrdom.

Originally Posted by Titchou

For the last time, the rule says "MAY" not will. So if a campus is forcing women who do not attend a party because they simply don't want to, the AA should be told. I'm not saying she's going to do anything. I'm just saying she should be made aware because she may not know and may need to investigate what's going on. If she says she knows and has blessed it because X, Y and z, then fine. At least she knows.

Good grief, ladies!

This is not an uncommon rule, I'm just very confused. What you're suggesting is notification over something that is a pretty common practice on most campuses just because you're unfamiliar with it. The rule says "MAY" because it is a sample rule. It means it's permissible for a campus to add that as a consequence to non-attendance at parties. In fact, in those rules, the PNM ones I bolded are actually bolded in the manual as well as well as bolding the one about the bid card agreement and the NO MEN/ALCOHOL rule.

I suppose what I'm trying to convey, past your "GEEZ LADIES GEEZ" is that you're the only one who thinks this is shocking. There's no 'blessing it' specifically, it's part of the campus panhellenic's rules and is not an unusual one. This does btw, exclude sickness/class/team practice generally speaking, in case that's your thought process here.

That is not to say that all schools have the same rules, for example.
On SMU's FAQ:

Q: May I skip a sorority even if I do not want to attend?
A: No, if you choose to miss a party then you will be removed from the entire process. There are no exceptions.

From U of Maryland

What happens if I have to miss a round during spring recruitment?

If for any reason you have to miss a party during recruitment, you must fill out an excuse form with your Rho Gamma so that the sororities know why you could not attend their party. Please keep in mind that if you do not attend specific events, it is the sorority’s decision as to whether or not they invite you to attend their party during the next round. We strongly encourage you to attend every party during recruitment, so you can maximize your information and opportunities during recruitment and to help make your decision making process easier!

California State U: Long Beach

What if I have to miss a Recruitment event?

It is very important that you attend all of the Recruitment events to which you are invited. Unexcused absences hamper your chances of being invited to the next round. Excuses are granted for illness, family emergencies, class attendance, and religious observances, provided you notify your Recruitment Counselor in advance at the orientation so that the chapters can be informed. We strongly recommend that you arrange to get off work during the Recruitment events if at all possible.

So you see, just from the ones posted publically there are a variety of different methods, but it is NOT strange to be pulled from recruitment if you miss a party and it IS legitimate and PNMs are informed of the rules ahead of time in their information packets, etc.

The reason you're getting pushback is that to some of us this is like saying you should report a school for not allowing balloons. Some schools allow them, but it's not weird to NOT allow them, it's relatively common.

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

eta - As far as I know, Titchou, collegiate panhellenics have to submit their recruitment rules to the area panhellenic adviser, so she would already be aware of the requirement to attend all parties. Please correct me if my experience is not true of every campus.

I don't know for sure if that's the standard everywhere. I do know that when campuses change types of recruitment or yearly evaluate the recruitment process, the local NPC *person* is also involved.

[AnchorAlumna]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I'm also tired of posters acting as if recruitment has not been improved.

I think it has indeed improved. The RFM system has been a godsend to smaller chapters and has built up the entire system where it has been used.
A few years before my rush (which was 1,055 years ago), the practice was for rushees to be invited to half the sororities for first round. You didn't even get to look at all the groups to begin with, and they didn't get a look at you.
The "open house" rounds where rushees visited every sorority was revolutionary at the time.