boots to one of the rush days?

[dekeguy]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

The deal is that your "advice" is basically worthless, especially since you have to qualify it and ask for reinforcement. You also come across extremely pretentious.

As to why girls comment on guys threads without getting called out:
1. Sometimes we do get called out
2. Guys rush just isn't as systematic and complicated as girls rush, with few exceptions.
3. Many girls here have actively participated (on the Fraternity side) of rush...with even fewer exceptions.than #2, no guys have actively participated in girl's rush.

AlphaFrog,
I would suggest that your comment is not 'the deal'. It is that in your opinion my 'advice' is basically worthless. Very well, I have no argument with your opinion. I just don't happen to agree with it. My 'advice' was offered constructively and seems to be supported by several further comments from later posters. As to qualifying it and asking for reinforcement it seems to me that seeking concensus or inviting differing views hardly establishes the 'worthlessness' of my observations but rather attempts to ensure the usefulness of my input.
I don't recall saying anything about girls not being called out. I recall pointing out that it is apparently standard practice for 'girls' to comment on guy centric threads and issues and therefore it seemed appropriate that the correlary would hold true as well. As to the differences between fraternity and sorority rush and the degrees of cross participation therein, I fail to see the relevance of your argument in addressing whether or not it is a good idea to wear a specific outfit for a specific rush activity.
As to my being pretentious, I'm sorry if I seem that way to you, but would you really want a 34 year old lawyer to come off as an inarticulate adolescent?
I note that many CG regulars are in their 30s and come off a bit more polished than teenaged undergraduates or overaged wannabe kids, but I don't really think that qualifies as pretentious. On the contrary, I submit that acting one's age and drawing on one's experience seems to me to be a valid approach.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by dekeguy

As to my being pretentious, I'm sorry if I seem that way to you, but would you really want a 34 year old lawyer to come off as an inarticulate adolescent?
I note that many CG regulars are in their 30s and come off a bit more polished than teenaged undergraduates or overaged wannabe kids, but I don't really think that qualifies as pretentious. On the contrary, I submit that acting one's age and drawing on one's experience seems to me to be a valid approach.

Just because one is "Polished" or "articulate" doesn't necessarily mean one must revert to the writing style of one CS Lewis.

[barbino]

I've seen people give unsolicited opinions on GC for far worse subjects than a guy giving a PNM his opinion on recruitment clothing. OK, so maybe recruitment is one of the times when we ladies don't dress to impress the male species. I still feel that dekeguy had every right to give his opinon.

I have loved all of the dresses posted in this thread -- especially those from Dubai Sis and ree-xi. I think that the OP has gotten some valuable information on what to consider while choosing recruitment clothes.

[dekeguy]

Originally Posted by agzg

You're not getting the point that it's inappropriate for members of non-NPC groups to comment on anything relating to NPC recruitment, up to and including wardrobe.

We NPC members may not agree on outfits, but we're all well within our knowledge and right to give "regional" opinions about what would or would not be appropriate for our regions, having gone through dress checks as collegians ourselves.

So, it is appropriate for your half of the human race to comment on 'guy centric' topics but inappropriate for me to offer what is meant as a bit of helpful thought to a 'girl centric' topic? What is that word that comes to mind just now? Oh yes, SEXIST. Was that the point I was supposed to get.

Originally Posted by barbino

I've seen people give unsolicited opinions on GC for far worse subjects than a guy giving a PNM his opinion on recruitment clothing. OK, so maybe recruitment is one of the times when we ladies don't dress to impress the male species. I still feel that dekeguy had every right to give his opinon.
I have loved all of the dresses posted in this thread -- especially those from Dubai Sis and ree-xi. I think that the OP has gotten some valuable information on what to consider while choosing recruitment clothes.

barbino,

Thank you very much for your fair minded and generous comment. I do appreciate your words. I was somewhat surprised by the negative reactions by some toward what was intended to be helpful. Observing my sister and her friends dress styles I got the distinct impression that the proposed outfit might have had a negative effect on the prospective's chances based on how little time was available for anyone to really get to know her. I figured it was time for her to stick by the old saying 'put your best foot forward'.
Again, thank you.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by dekeguy

So, it is appropriate for your half of the human race to comment on 'guy centric' topics but inappropriate for me to offer what is meant as a bit of helpful thought to a 'girl centric' topic? What is that word that comes to mind just now? Oh yes, SEXIST. Was that the point I was supposed to get.

If fraternity members want to tell sorority members to stay in their lane in regard to fraternity rush, that's their right. I am telling you now, stay in your lane. Women dressing for sorority rush are not dressing for dudes. Furthermore, I don't see how comments like "pond life" EVEN IF YOUR SISTER SAID IT are helpful.

Also, blow me on the sexism front.

[dekeguy]

Originally Posted by agzg

If fraternity members want to tell sorority members to stay in their lane in regard to fraternity rush, that's their right. I am telling you now, stay in your lane. Women dressing for sorority rush are not dressing for dudes. Furthermore, I don't see how comments like "pond life" EVEN IF YOUR SISTER SAID IT are helpful.

Also, blow me on the sexism front.

Remind me please where anything was said about her 'dressing for dudes'. I seem to recall this was all about a suggestion that the outfit might not work to her best advantage during rush where her judges would be female. My sister's comment is her opinion and I don't see what your opinion of whether it is helpful or not has anything to do with anything other than your opinion.

As to telling sorority members to stay in their lane, why? Suggestions, constructive criticism, and helpful comments are always welcome. Even nasty cracks can be quite amusing.
I might have the right to ASK someone to stay in her lane but I would have NO right to TELL her to do so. By the same token anyone has the right to ASK anyone to do or not do something. BUT, in the context of GC, no one has the right to tell someone to do or not do something.

So, I'm sorry but you are not in a position to TELL me anything. Please back off and get over yourself.

As to your ever so ladylike order to "blow me", sorry, that is not acceptable on two accounts. First, it is biologically impossible. Second, I am a straight male so even if it were possible you would be out of luck.

[VandalSquirrel]

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[barbino]

The dress options given here just keep getting better ...

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

http://www1.macys.com/catalog/produc...D1%26spc%3D156

OMGPOCKETSLOVE!!!

[agzg]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

http://shop.nordstrom.com/S/js-colle...esultback=2794

This one is lovely.

[dekeguy]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Just because one is "Polished" or "articulate" doesn't necessarily mean one must revert to the writing style of one CS Lewis.

Please note that my 'Polished' comment referred to 'thirty-something' GCers in general. I do aspire to be 'articulate' as it is afterall rather stock in trade for a lawyer.
Since the late CS Lewis, DPhil, DLitt, etc. predeceased me by quite a few years I doubt if it would be possible to 'revert' to his writing style, unless one put stock in reincarnation. If, however, my writing style suggests his abilities with the English, inter alia, language then I am highly complimented and grateful for your comment to that effect.


Side thought, Quo usque tandem...

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by dekeguy

AlphaFrog,

I note that many GC regulars are in their 30s and come off a bit more polished than teenaged undergraduates or overaged wannabe kids, but I don't really think that qualifies as pretentious. On the contrary, I submit that acting one's age and drawing on one's experience seems to me to be a valid approach.

There's a difference between sounding mature and articulate, or "polished," as you said, and sounding pretentious. Also, just speaking for myself, my writing style on GC is way less formal than it is in my professional life or personal life. I'd imagine that I'm not the exception in this case.

Calling an 18-year old's outfit selection for rush "pond scum" is pretentious and lame. Note that the women on this board have offered suggestions but not judgements. There's a difference!

[dekeguy]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

There's a difference between sounding mature and articulate, or "polished," as you said, and sounding pretentious. Also, just speaking for myself, my writing style on GC is way less formal than it is in my professional life or personal life. I'd imagine that I'm not the exception in this case.

Calling an 18-year old's outfit selection for rush "pond scum" is pretentious and lame. Note that the women on this board have offered suggestions but not judgements. There's a difference!

This begins to be a bit absurd. The phrase was "pond life" (mildly negative but very different meaning) and it was my sister's comment. According to the criticisms heard today it seems to me that as she is a woman and a Greek alumna she is fully qualified to make such a comment. It might be helpful if quoted phrases are accurately quoted and attributed to their originator. If the comment seems pretentious I suggest you read a few dozen comments on a few dozen threads by a number of ladies where the phrase 'pond life' would be seen mild and not in the least pretentious. Its all in the context but I would suggest that one should read the original comment before responding to something that was not said in the manner implied.

[dekeguy]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

There's a difference between sounding mature and articulate, or "polished," as you said, and sounding pretentious. Also, just speaking for myself, my writing style on GC is way less formal than it is in my professional life or personal life. I'd imagine that I'm not the exception in this case.

Calling an 18-year old's outfit selection for rush "pond scum" is pretentious and lame. Note that the women on this board have offered suggestions but not judgements. There's a difference!

Does anyone read what was actually said? The quote was "pond life" not "pond scum". These have very different meanings, and by the way, the comment was my sister's, a Greek alumna, who would seem to me to be well qualified to offer her opinion.

[greekdancer]

I appreciate your opinion and help zekeguy. Based on your strong and dramatic response, I am definitely not wearing boots. Other than that, I would love if the arguments on this thread ended.