Bristol Palin Claims Virginity Was "Stolen"

[agzg]

The whole thing sounds really confused to me. Which, to be quite honest, is not altogether uncommon for both victims of date rape as well as women who regret the choices they've made in their sex life. So it could go either way for me. I'm not gonna make her carry the torch for victims of date rape, though - no one should be forced to.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by agzg

The whole thing sounds really confused to me. Which, to be quite honest, is not altogether uncommon for both victims of date rape as well as women who regret the choices they've made in their sex life. So it could go either way for me. I'm not gonna make her carry the torch for victims of date rape, though - no one should be forced to.

Nope. I agree. I'm not going to force the label on her, but I'm not going to doubt her either. It sounds like date rape, and maybe she doesn't see it that way, and ok that's fine then.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by agzg

Which, to be quite honest, is not altogether uncommon for both victims of date rape as well as women who regret the choices they've made in their sex life. So it could go either way for me.

She and her people know that. Mission accomplished on their end.

Originally Posted by agzg

I'm not gonna make her carry the torch for victims of date rape, though - no one should be forced to.

I don't believe everyone who was tipsy and even drunk was date raped. I would be more inclined to believe that only sober sex was consensual sex if there wasn't a gender and sexual orientation bias in date rape claims. I simply don't agree with alcohol being the deciding factor rather than the context and actions.

She said Levi Johnston "got her drunk." How old was he and was he also drunk? Anyway, I call bullshit attempt to sell a memoir. Yep.

[madoug]

I simply don't agree with alcohol being the deciding factor rather than the context and actions.
 

I can verify for you that 30 years ago at least, a girl being drunk was the extract deciding factor on if certain "un"gentlemen selected a girl to be a sexual target which results were very much rape. I am fortunate that a more gentlemanly brother saw my impending fate and recused me. My friend was not so fortunate. So I certainly hope that you don't think that the context of overconsumation of alcohol is de facto agreement to be intimate. I had thought we had made more progress than that.

[thetaj]

Originally Posted by madoug

I simply don't agree with alcohol being the deciding factor rather than the context and actions.
 

I can verify for you that 30 years ago at least, a girl being drunk was the extract deciding factor on if certain "un"gentlemen selected a girl to be a sexual target which results were very much rape. I am fortunate that a more gentlemanly brother saw my impending fate and recused me. My friend was not so fortunate. So I certainly hope that you don't think that the context of overconsumation of alcohol is de facto agreement to be intimate. I had thought we had made more progress than that.

I don't think that's what she was saying. I think she meant instead of saying that alcohol means agreement, that alcohol neither means agreement nor disagreement every time. It's all contextual.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by madoug

I can verify for you that 30 years ago at least, a girl being drunk was the extract deciding factor on if certain "un"gentlemen selected a girl to be a sexual target which results were very much rape. I am fortunate that a more gentlemanly brother saw my impending fate and recused me. My friend was not so fortunate. So I certainly hope that you don't think that the context of overconsumation of alcohol is de facto agreement to be intimate. I had thought we had made more progress than that.

You know neither my personal nor my professional background and experiences. So spare me.

And I find great irony in how you removed the context of my post to fit your story and what you wanted my post to be saying. I guess "context and actions" was missed on you.