Mystery New Members on Bid Day

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Splash

If the girl is "blandly inoffensive" the chapter is not paying for the mistake, the girl is. Yes, she wouldn't have received a bid anyway, but that is far preferable than to receive one, get excited, then get it taken away.

You misinterpreted my post (you do that a lot). I meant that the whole chapter should not have to bear the mantle of "those bitches gave me a bid and then took it away!" when the whole chapter never gave her a bid in the first place, one misguided person took it upon themselves to do so.

I personally would not want a "pity bid" or a "OMG we didn't make quota" bid. If I wasn't good enough to be on a bid list after prefs, put on there by the majority of the chapter, I would rather go through COB and make sure they really want me for me, not for my warm body or because I'm pathetic.

[Splash]

None of that matters if the girl is welcomed graciously and no one reveals anything about what happened. Also, I think the person responsible should be penalized.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Splash

None of that matters if the girl is welcomed graciously and no one reveals anything about what happened.

Yes, it does matter a great deal, IF she did not meet the requirements laid out by the chapter and national organization to receive a bid, and IF as DBB said, this prevented a woman from getting a bid somewhere else where she DID meet the requirements. How many MS sessions have you taken part in exactly?

Originally Posted by Splash

Also, I think the person responsible should be penalized.

That's exactly what I said. They should have to explain to the girl why her bid is being rescinded. They should also have to explain to the chapter/Panhel why they thought they could pull this isht.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Yes, it does matter a great deal, IF she did not meet the requirements laid out by the chapter and national organization to receive a bid, and IF as DBB said, this prevented a woman from getting a bid somewhere else where she DID meet the requirements. How many MS sessions have you taken part in exactly?



That's exactly what I said. They should have to explain to the girl why her bid is being rescinded. They should also have to explain to the chapter/Panhel why they thought they could pull this isht.

Can you rescind a bid? I did not even know that was allowed.

[Splash]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Yes, it does matter a great deal, IF she did not meet the requirements laid out by the chapter and national organization to receive a bid, and IF as DBB said, this prevented a woman from getting a bid somewhere else where she DID meet the requirements. How many MS sessions have you taken part in exactly?

Which is why I specified initially that this girl is one of the blandly inoffensive and not someone the chapter blatantly does not want. 4 MS sessions, and yourself?

That's exactly what I said. They should have to explain to the girl why her bid is being rescinded. They should also have to explain to the chapter/Panhel why they thought they could pull this isht.

Well I don't know what I think the punishment should be. But your first suggestion punishes the girl far more than anyone else.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Can you rescind a bid? I did not even know that was allowed.

I guess that was the wrong wording. If the sorority never voted her in, and if she was put on the bid list by nefarious means, then she never technically had a bid to begin with. She needs to be informed of that.

Originally Posted by Splash

Which is why I specified initially that this girl is one of the blandly inoffensive and not someone the chapter blatantly does not want. 4 MS sessions, and yourself?

Twice that and then some...but then again, I guess you do have 1 for each of your user names.

As I said, it's hard to say how "ok" this is without getting too technical and nosy. But I still say, no matter how "inoffensive" she was...if she didn't meet requirements, she shouldn't be given a bid.

[Titchou]

It depends on how strict the policies are. And that's where we're getting into MS rules of individual groups. Suppose the group does final votes earlier than others...but then they have to release some they voted "yes" on due to numbers allowed to invite. So Susie gets released even though they voted to pledge her. Then, the numbers game catches up with the chapter and they have an open slot and Susie, voila!, is still available at bid matching. Can the adviser put her on the list? I would say yes...and then they wind up with someone who wasn't at pref showing up on Bid Day. It can happen. And has...

[Splash]

Just 1 user name and 4 recruitments during my collegiate experience.

And I agree, but just because a girl has been cut does not mean she doesn't meet the requirements of the sorority. At all.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Splash

Just 1 user name and 4 recruitments during my collegiate experience.

And I agree, but just because a girl has been cut does not mean she doesn't meet the requirements of the sorority. At all.

Once again, you're not understanding what I'm saying AT ALL. I don't mean whether she is "fit" for membership, or if she embodies the creed or whatever. I am talking about HOW. PEOPLE. VOTED.

Originally Posted by Titchou

It depends on how strict the policies are. And that's where we're getting into MS rules of individual groups. Suppose the group does final votes earlier than others...but then they have to release some they voted "yes" on due to numbers allowed to invite. So Susie gets released even though they voted to pledge her. Then, the numbers game catches up with the chapter and they have an open slot and Susie, voila!, is still available at bid matching. Can the adviser put her on the list? I would say yes...and then they wind up with someone who wasn't at pref showing up on Bid Day. It can happen. And has...

Yes. This.

[SWTXBelle]

Treading carefully - especially with RFM, it would be possible for a chapter to vote for a woman who was not invited back because of numbers.

Back in the day, it was possible for chapters to offer snap bids to women who had not accepted a pref invitation but who the chapter wanted. In that case, although the members might have been a bit surprised because they were not at pref, the chapter DID want them and HAD voted for them. (Like today's flex lists).

Unless you have worked as an alumnae with a chapter during recruitment you probably don't fully understand how the process works - but any alumna who abuses her position to manipulate membership selection should be immediately removed from her position, imho.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Unless you have worked as an alumnae with a chapter during recruitment you probably don't fully understand how the process works - but any alumna who abuses her position to manipulate membership selection should be immediately removed from her position, imho.

Agreed. I have worked with the alumnae as an active and I agree with what you're saying in the rest of your post.

And yet, I do not think you can revoke the girls bid (and yes, revoke, she received a card/note/letter/whatever, she has a bid however it was obtained.) Because she received a bid through ABC's screwup/fraud/whatever she may have not received a bid to another org, there is no way to 'fix' the situation that does not screw over the only innocent party involved.

Since MS is up to the chapter, there are not 'do-overs' because of something unethical that occurred in the chapter. As far as the campus panhel is concerned, that girl received a bid and is a member. There is no other way to handle it that wouldn't open the system up to more abuse. There are no 'take-backs' on the bid list.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Because she received a bid through ABC's screwup/fraud/whatever she may have not received a bid to another org, there is no way to 'fix' the situation that does not screw over the only innocent party involved.

If a faux-bid from group #1 did indeed prevent her from getting a bid to group #2, and group #2 had her on their bid list, give her a bid to group #2 (even if it overrides quota or total). That fixes her situation - she has a bid from a group who truly wanted her as a group - and shows group #1 how dumb it is to pull this crap (i.e. another sorority gets to take more than allowed because you are jagoffs). Again, this is all treading on MS and really depends upon how long "things" are kept, to verify what happened.

Can we say that it's probably a good idea for the WHOLE chapter to see a list of who's showing up at bid day before it begins and before women are notified? Even regardless of stuff like this...it's probably best for the whole chapter to know in advance that Ultimate Rush Crush Of Everyone picked another sorority instead of yours, instead of it having to "trickle through" the bid day festivities.

[carnation]

I'm trying to picture what it's like for the sororities with the 70+ new member classes. At first, hardly anyone realizes who every girl is. At some point when "mystery members" show up, though, someone must realize, "Hey, wait a minute, we cut her 2 days ago."

BTW, with the mystery pledges I'm talking about, no one knew--or would admit to knowing--how it happened. I suppose people blamed the computers.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

If a faux-bid from group #1 did indeed prevent her from getting a bid to group #2, and group #2 had her on their bid list, give her a bid to group #2 (even if it overrides quota or total). That fixes her situation - she has a bid from a group who truly wanted her as a group - and shows group #1 how dumb it is to pull this crap (i.e. another sorority gets to take more than allowed because you are jagoffs). Again, this is all treading on MS and really depends upon how long "things" are kept, to verify what happened.

Can we say that it's probably a good idea for the WHOLE chapter to see a list of who's showing up at bid day before it begins and before women are notified? Even regardless of stuff like this...it's probably best for the whole chapter to know in advance that Ultimate Rush Crush Of Everyone picked another sorority instead of yours, instead of it having to "trickle through" the bid day festivities.

Because MS is confidential there's no way to 'verify' that it was a mistake, all panhel gets is the bidlist. And that's what they go on. As far as Suzy knows, she was wanted by ABC, and the chapter should in fact treat her that way. How in the world are you going to figure out whose chapter she should go to otherwise? What if ABC was number one on her bidlist or the only one on her bidlist? There is no way to 'fix' things that doesn't punish the PNM.

Reasons the whole chapter should see the list:
To know who's coming and who your assigned NM is for the event and to glee over everything

Reasons the whole chapter should not police the list: because that's what advisors and recruitment chairs are for.


/has a feeling there's more to this 'occurence' than meets the eye
//and that it's really incredibly rare in the first place.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Agreed. I have worked with the alumnae as an active and I agree with what you're saying in the rest of your post.

And yet, I do not think you can revoke the girls bid (and yes, revoke, she received a card/note/letter/whatever, she has a bid however it was obtained.) Because she received a bid through ABC's screwup/fraud/whatever she may have not received a bid to another org, there is no way to 'fix' the situation that does not screw over the only innocent party involved.

Since MS is up to the chapter, there are not 'do-overs' because of something unethical that occurred in the chapter. As far as the campus panhel is concerned, that girl received a bid and is a member. There is no other way to handle it that wouldn't open the system up to more abuse. There are no 'take-backs' on the bid list.

Oh, I wouldn't revoke the bid (unless she was an axe murderer or something) - as you point out, there's just no good way to remedy the situation without hurting the new member.