Quota Additions at Super Competitive Schools

[HQWest]

I have advised at chapters with a big house, with a floor arrangement, and with a lodge arrangement. There are big problems with the lodge or floor arrangement that the house does not have. It is harder for the girls to see where their money goes. It is hard to get the girls to take ownership (pick up after themselves). They have to pay a lot for real estate that Could be used for study hours mini meetings, etc., but often sits empty when they aren't having chapter. You have to balance access who can use the room, when, what are they responsible for - with security. T-shirts, food, etc. go missing. A few live-in officers end up doing 90% of the work both cleanin and adminstrative.

The other big problem is that there is an increase in the drama queen quotient. "If you don't do what I say - I quit." "I don't have to follow these rules - I quit." It seems to be a lot easier for someone to walk away, to not feel bad about relinquishing their membership if they can just walk away. If they have a disagreement and then have to go back to their room and thin about it - I think they are more inclined to constructive problem solving.

[carnation]

Originally Posted by HQWest

The other big problem is that there is an increase in the drama queen quotient. "If you don't do what I say - I quit." "I don't have to follow these rules - I quit." It seems to be a lot easier for someone to walk away, to not feel bad about relinquishing their membership if they can just walk away. If they have a disagreement and then have to go back to their room and thin about it - I think they are more inclined to constructive problem solving.

Boy, have I seen this lately and not just in the college sorority arena either. People of all ages are dramatically quitting various things and I have to wonder if they're seeing this on TV or in the movies.

I don't give into the blackmail; I prefer to say, "Okay," and leave.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by carnation

Boy, have I seen this lately and not just in the college sorority arena either. People of all ages are dramatically quitting various things and I have to wonder if they're seeing this on TV or in the movies.

I don't give into the blackmail; I prefer to say, "Okay," and leave.

I was thinking about my alma mater, and why even the top groups took sophomores, without any type of sophomore quota, and my working theory is that there are so many retention problems that having a sophomore for three years is about the same as having a freshman who will quit her senior year anyway.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by carnation

Boy, have I seen this lately and not just in the college sorority arena either. People of all ages are dramatically quitting various things and I have to wonder if they're seeing this on TV or in the movies.

I don't give into the blackmail; I prefer to say, "Okay," and leave.

When I first advised a small chapter, this was the norm. Members would storm in and say they were quitting. I would simply hold out my hand. They looked at me oddly, and I would tell them that if their sorority didn't mean that much to them they were welcome to put their badge in my hand and I would start the paper work. I only had to do that about three or four times until the overly dramatic overtures stopped.

[carnation]

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[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

When I first advised a small chapter, this was the norm. Members would storm in and say they were quitting. I would simply hold out my hand. They looked at me oddly, and I would tell them that if their sorority didn't mean that much to them they were welcome to put their badge in my hand and I would start the paper work. I only had to do that about three or four times until the overly dramatic overtures stopped.

Like.

As a regional volunteer, I've had women reply to me baffled when they call/email with "I don't want to do x so I'm going to quit" and my response is "Okay."

I've found that the drama queens want you to get down on your hands and knees and say "noooooo don't quit, we neeeed you!!!" so when you don't, they're like a deer in headlights.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by HQWest

I have advised at chapters with a big house, with a floor arrangement, and with a lodge arrangement. There are big problems with the lodge or floor arrangement that the house does not have. It is harder for the girls to see where their money goes. It is hard to get the girls to take ownership (pick up after themselves). They have to pay a lot for real estate that Could be used for study hours mini meetings, etc., but often sits empty when they aren't having chapter. You have to balance access who can use the room, when, what are they responsible for - with security. T-shirts, food, etc. go missing. A few live-in officers end up doing 90% of the work both cleanin and adminstrative.

The other big problem is that there is an increase in the drama queen quotient. "If you don't do what I say - I quit." "I don't have to follow these rules - I quit." It seems to be a lot easier for someone to walk away, to not feel bad about relinquishing their membership if they can just walk away. If they have a disagreement and then have to go back to their room and thin about it - I think they are more inclined to constructive problem solving.

I guess I have a different concept of what a "lodge" or "floor" is than other people are talking about.

As far as a floor...you're still paying as you would pay for any other dorm room and (I'm assuming/hoping) having the cleaning crew to come in on a regular basis as they would in any other dorm room. That includes the suite which I was guessing was at the end of the hall.

And I was reading "lodge" as just set up more like a ski-lodge type place (yinzers, if you've ever been to UPJ you know what I'm talking about) with bigger bedrooms and less common space as opposed to a large house with a big chapter room and teeny bedrooms. I don't get where this type of arrangement would engender less ownership feelings. Unless, of course, we're all talking about different things.

Having experience with a group (not mine) who had a partial floor & a suite at the end, the suite had a TV and was basically their private TV room...this was respected by the other girls on the hall...it wasn't as though no one could go in the suite except during meetings. That would have defeated the purpose.