Quota Additions at Super Competitive Schools

[carnation]

We've talked on GC about forced prefs. These days, prefs are rarely forced but the PNMs have that carrot of QAs if they maximize their options. Still, I think that many, many girls are going to some pref parties unwillingly and that could account for the flood of 'rude PNM' stories that we've gotten on the Weird Rush Stories thread (maybe if I flip off the undesirable group, they'll cut me!")

[FSUZeta]

Originally Posted by carnation

We've talked on GC about forced prefs. These days, prefs are rarely forced but the PNMs have that carrot of QAs if they maximize their options. Still, I think that many, many girls are going to some pref parties unwillingly and that could account for the flood of 'rude PNM' stories that we've gotten on the Weird Rush Stories thread (maybe if I flip off the undesirable group, they'll cut me!")

yes, they do dangle the quota addition carrot and the sip kiss of death rumor, too.

let's face it, if someone's heart is set on a bmw, but they end up with a pacer, some will end up making the best of things and appreciating the fact that they have a car, while others would rather walk than be seen in a pacer.

[OleMissGlitter]

I agree with you all and what Barbie originally posted.

Do you all think that those chapters who do struggle to "keep" their new members after Bid Day need to step up their NM Education programs? If you are "awkward alpha" shouldn’t you have the best NM Program on campus?

I have also witnessed firsthand where women who did not get a bid to their first choice end up very happy. Obviously every PNM is different. I do disagree with forcing a PNM to attend a pref party. However, I think most Panhellenic Councils really push the "maximize your options" advice.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by OleMissGlitter

I agree with you all and what Barbie originally posted.

Do you all think that those chapters who do struggle to "keep" their new members after Bid Day need to step up their NM Education programs? If you are "awkward alpha" shouldn’t you have the best NM Program on campus?
I have also witnessed firsthand where women who did not get a bid to their first choice end up very happy. Obviously every PNM is different. I do disagree with forcing a PNM to attend a pref party. However, I think most Panhellenic Councils really push the "maximize your options" advice.

I think so.

Retention is key.

I think many of the Awkward Alpha type groups don't focus on it enough.

For example: I've heard many stories of girls being really bummed about getting a bid to ABC, but perking up when they get to Bid Day and everyone is SO HAPPY to see them.

If you show up to ABC and the actives are all about their recruitment results and not enjoying themselves, you are automatically going to panic and think you made the wrong decision to accept.

I think it's important to engage the NMs as quickly as possible and show them that women on campus are PROUD to be ABC.

Of course at some schools, retention is easier said than done. If you're coming from a place with more fliud reputation structures (ex: a pledge class can really change a reputation.)

[dukedg]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

I think it's important to engage the NMs as quickly as possible and show them that women on campus are PROUD to be ABC.

How do you show NMs this if the women are not proud to be ABCs and the campus/greek groups do not treat them with respect?

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by dukedg

How do you show NMs this if the women are not proud to be ABCs and the campus/greek groups do not treat them with respect?

That's the part I don't know the answer to.

I DO think that on some level you really do just have to decide that you're going to be happy at ABC. That is also easier said than done.

[carnation]

I once started a thread here when a member asked me how they could get new members to be happy with their bids bc they were always having to console new members on Bid Day. I have no clue what it was called but lots of GCers posted some good stuff about how their chapters dealt with it.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by carnation

I once started a thread here when a member asked me how they could get new members to be happy with their bids bc they were always having to console new members on Bid Day. I have no clue what it was called but lots of GCers posted some good stuff about how their chapters dealt with it.

This one?
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=88328

[dukedg]

I don't think the current structure of formal recruitment (short period of time to place as many women as possible) is set up to help a struggling chapter (one that is significantly smaller than others). It is set up to place as many women in chapters as possible in a short period of time.

RFM may give the struggling chapter a chance to win over PNMs on bid day, but I don't think the chapter can convince that many women to take the gamble who wouldn't have otherwise considered joining.

[Mevara]

Originally Posted by carnation

We've talked on GC about forced prefs. These days, prefs are rarely forced but the PNMs have that carrot of QAs if they maximize their options. Still, I think that many, many girls are going to some pref parties unwillingly and that could account for the flood of 'rude PNM' stories that we've gotten on the Weird Rush Stories thread (maybe if I flip off the undesirable group, they'll cut me!")

This might not be a popular idea but maybe PNMs should be allowed to "cut" chapters before pref. If you think about it as much as we say it is a mutual selection process it really isn't for the PNMs, unless they get invited back to more chapters than they can attend.

[33girl]

As far as maximizing options goes...

It's one thing when you have to go to one pref party you don't want and two that you do like. You are lucky enough that you should be able to suck it up for an hour and be nice to the sorority you want no part of.

If you are going into pref with only one group (who you detest) left, I hate to break it to you, but unless your dream group REALLY effed up their RFM and cut too many people, you're probably not going to be a QA for them. You might as well drop out of rush if you're dead set you don't want to be in this group and you don't believe anything will happen at pref to change your mind. You might be wrong, but it's up to you.