NPC adding new council members--do you think it could/will happen?

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Dr Phil & sigmadiva - I read this on a local mb the other night and was waiting for a GC discussion to slip it into...this seems as good a place as any.

a lotta people think that's the end of racism, when white kids treat black kids as pigmented whites.
which is extremely similar to 'gays against marriage'; we're not the same and we don't want to be.

Truth?

I really don't see a connection between the analogies in each statement.

True story: When I was an undergrad a 'study-buddy' of mine was a white girl. One night she was studying with me and our mutual guy friend, who is Black.

As we were leaving the architecture building, she turned to us and said "Y'all are like 'white-Black' people." She really thought she was giving us a compliment. We politely told her that she was not.


I do think, however, whites have a tendency to assume that the world is not right until everyone assimilates to their way of thinking and doing things.

Why can't y'all just accept there are differences in the world, and not everyone wants to be just like you.

Someone mentioned up-thread that the NPHC has been operating just fine the way it has been for just over 100 years, and we are still going strong.

Each org / council has established what ever criteria they felt best for their membership. One is not better than the other - they are just different.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I really don't see a connection between the analogies in each statement.

LOL. I responded based on what I considered the intended implications of the statements.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

True story: When I was an undergrad a 'study-buddy' of mine was a white girl. One night she was studying with me and our mutual guy friend, who is Black.

As we were leaving the architecture building, she turned to us and said "Y'all are like 'white-Black' people." She really thought she was giving us a compliment. We politely told her that she was not.

Yes, many of "us educated Black folk" have received that "compliment" from whites and


I do think, however, whites have a tendency to assume that the world is not right until everyone assimilates to their way of thinking and doing things.

Why can't y'all just accept there are differences in the world, and not everyone wants to be just like you.

Someone mentioned up-thread that the NPHC has been operating just fine the way it has been for just over 100 years, and we are still going strong.

Each org / council has established what ever criteria they felt best for their membership. One is not better than the other - they are just different.

See, I had a long post in response to 33girl's post but didn't post it because I knew it would take this thread elsewhere. I love your post but know that it takes this thread elsewhere. And you know how GC acts when it is taken...elsewhere. *dundundun...dunnnnnnnnnn....*

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

LOL. I responded based on what I considered the intended implications of the statements.

I *think* the implications are that being Black and (separate and a part from) being gay are the "same" from a white heterosexual point of view since white heterosexuals consider both Blacks and gays to be minorities. An implication / analogy / similarity that I most definitely do not agree with.

This is why white gays feel they can piggy-back off the Civil Rights Movement to use it as a foundation to support gay rights. Like being Black and gay are the same thing (wait, I already said that).

See, I had a long post in response to 33girl's post but didn't post it because I knew it would take this thread elsewhere. I love your post but know that it takes this thread elsewhere. And you know how GC acts when it is taken...elsewhere. *dundundun...dunnnnnnnnnn....*

It makes them aware of their feelings towards anyone who is not like them, and it forces them to come to terms with that.

[DubaiSis]

Getting back to the OP, I think NPC could offer some up-and-comers some real support in growth and legitimacy, but I don't see any NPHC sororities needing that support. Or legitimacy.

I do think it would be helpful in a "can't we all just get along" kind of way if the NPHC chapters and NPC chapters would work more closely together at the campus level. When I was in school the NPHC chapters were quite strong, I think, but never knew a single woman who was a member of one. And yes, I've had black friends my whole life, so it wasn't that. It would be nice to have ALL the sororities on campus participating in flag football or attending each others philanthropies or whatever. Co-counsel mixers or exchanges?

And SigmaDiva, your story cracked me up! I was thinking of some similar statements I've heard in my life (about friends/neighbors) and I'm always dumb-struck about how to respond to it.

[SWTXBelle]

FWIW, I was operating under the philanthropy/social and racial emphasis division made earlier in the thread by sigmadiva.

I think some misunderstandings happen specifically because some Greek Life admins. and NPC members try to fit the NPHC orgs into the NPC box - my analogy (and yes, I know argument by analogy is always problematic) was attempting to speak to that WITHOUT implying one was better than the other. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.

Back to the OP question - with the many non-NPC options available today would a GLO WANT to join the NPC? It would be an awfully hard row to hoe.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

I do think it would be helpful in a "can't we all just get along" kind of way if the NPHC chapters and NPC chapters would work more closely together at the campus level. When I was in school the NPHC chapters were quite strong, I think, but never knew a single woman who was a member of one. And yes, I've had black friends my whole life, so it wasn't that. It would be nice to have ALL the sororities on campus participating in flag football or attending each others philanthropies or whatever. Co-counsel mixers or exchanges?

I know this his been brought up on GC several times before. Flag Football and Date Parties are not necessarily on non-IFC/NPC members' radars. The entertainment/social events are typically the ones that non-IFC/NPC members get invited to, though.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I *think* the implications are that being Black and (separate and a part from) being gay are the "same" from a white heterosexual point of view since white heterosexuals consider both Blacks and gays to be minorities. An implication / analogy / similarity that I most definitely do not agree with.

This is why white gays feel they can piggy-back off the Civil Rights Movement to use it as a foundation to support gay rights. Like being Black and gay are the same thing (wait, I already said that).

FYI - overall equality IS a civil rights issue. I don't think any members of the GLBT community are piggy-backing on the BLACK Civil Rights Movement.

See: Stonewall Riots (which occurred around the same time as the Black Civil Rights Movement, hence some of the "piggy-back" perceptions).

/tangent

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

I do think it would be helpful in a "can't we all just get along" kind of way if the NPHC chapters and NPC chapters would work more closely together at the campus level. When I was in school the NPHC chapters were quite strong, I think, but never knew a single woman who was a member of one. And yes, I've had black friends my whole life, so it wasn't that. It would be nice to have ALL the sororities on campus participating in flag football or attending each others philanthropies or whatever. Co-counsel mixers or exchanges?

I remember once the Tri Delta chapter and the DST chapter at TAMU co-sponsored some type of philanthropy event and called it 'It's a Delta Thang', or something like that. Effort has to be made to 'cross the aisle' from both sides. Now where have we heard that before.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

FYI - overall equality IS a civil rights issue. I don't think any members of the GLBT community are piggy-backing on the BLACK Civil Rights Movement.

See: Stonewall Riots (which occurred around the same time as the Black Civil Rights Movement, hence some of the "piggy-back" perceptions).

/tangent

As long as it is clear and understood that one is not the same as the other. And that one can not and should not be used to justify the other, as the quote 33girl provided implied. That is what I was responding to.

In my book, it is a sin to be gay. It is not a sin to be Black, although some would try to make you think it is.

I am personally not going to support laws that I think blatantly condone a sinful act.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

In my book, it is a sin to be gay. It is not a sin to be Black, although some would try to make you think it is.

Justifying it with your religion doesn't make you any less of a bigot.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Justifying it with your religion doesn't make you any less of a bigot.

And attacking my religion does not make you any better.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

As long as it is clear and understood that one is not the same as the other. And that one can not and should not be used to justify the other, as the quote 33girl provided implied. That is what I was responding to.

In my book, it is a sin to be gay. It is not a sin to be Black, although some would try to make you think it is.

I am personally not going to support laws that I think blatantly condone a sinful act.

Just clarifying for you.

And I won't address the rest of the post in order to keep this thread SOMEWHAT on topic.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Just clarifying for you.

And I won't address the rest of the post in order to keep this thread SOMEWHAT on topic.

Good call!

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

And attacking my religion does not make you any better.

Nope, sorry, that's not how intolerance works. You hold bigoted beliefs about gays. I, on the other hand, have said nothing negative about your religion (in fact, I don't even know which religion it is), except that you shouldn't use it to justify your bigoted beliefs.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Nope, sorry, that's not how intolerance works. You hold bigoted beliefs about gays. I, on the other hand, have said nothing negative about your religion (in fact, I don't even know which religion it is), except that you shouldn't use it to justify your bigoted beliefs.

If you consider the fact that I try to live my life as close to the Bible as I possibly can, then I guess in your book I am a bigot.

I can live with that. I've been called worse.

[Munchkin03]

So we DO eventually fall into bigotry in this thread--but not a race war. Imagine that!

NPC/NPHC collaborations are rare, and I think a lot of it has to do with the self-segregating/highly secretive nature of some NPHC groups on some college campuses. Also, I've personally experienced a level of condescension from NPHC members who believe that "all [we] do is drink," or that our commitment isn't lifetime. That's not exactly uncommon.

But, that's totally fine with me.