NPC adding new council members--do you think it could/will happen?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I really don't see a connection between the analogies in each statement.

LOL. I responded based on what I considered the intended implications of the statements.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

True story: When I was an undergrad a 'study-buddy' of mine was a white girl. One night she was studying with me and our mutual guy friend, who is Black.

As we were leaving the architecture building, she turned to us and said "Y'all are like 'white-Black' people." She really thought she was giving us a compliment. We politely told her that she was not.

Yes, many of "us educated Black folk" have received that "compliment" from whites and


I do think, however, whites have a tendency to assume that the world is not right until everyone assimilates to their way of thinking and doing things.

Why can't y'all just accept there are differences in the world, and not everyone wants to be just like you.

Someone mentioned up-thread that the NPHC has been operating just fine the way it has been for just over 100 years, and we are still going strong.

Each org / council has established what ever criteria they felt best for their membership. One is not better than the other - they are just different.

See, I had a long post in response to 33girl's post but didn't post it because I knew it would take this thread elsewhere. I love your post but know that it takes this thread elsewhere. And you know how GC acts when it is taken...elsewhere. *dundundun...dunnnnnnnnnn....*

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

LOL. I responded based on what I considered the intended implications of the statements.

I *think* the implications are that being Black and (separate and a part from) being gay are the "same" from a white heterosexual point of view since white heterosexuals consider both Blacks and gays to be minorities. An implication / analogy / similarity that I most definitely do not agree with.

This is why white gays feel they can piggy-back off the Civil Rights Movement to use it as a foundation to support gay rights. Like being Black and gay are the same thing (wait, I already said that).

See, I had a long post in response to 33girl's post but didn't post it because I knew it would take this thread elsewhere. I love your post but know that it takes this thread elsewhere. And you know how GC acts when it is taken...elsewhere. *dundundun...dunnnnnnnnnn....*

It makes them aware of their feelings towards anyone who is not like them, and it forces them to come to terms with that.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

I do think it would be helpful in a "can't we all just get along" kind of way if the NPHC chapters and NPC chapters would work more closely together at the campus level. When I was in school the NPHC chapters were quite strong, I think, but never knew a single woman who was a member of one. And yes, I've had black friends my whole life, so it wasn't that. It would be nice to have ALL the sororities on campus participating in flag football or attending each others philanthropies or whatever. Co-counsel mixers or exchanges?

I know this his been brought up on GC several times before. Flag Football and Date Parties are not necessarily on non-IFC/NPC members' radars. The entertainment/social events are typically the ones that non-IFC/NPC members get invited to, though.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I *think* the implications are that being Black and (separate and a part from) being gay are the "same" from a white heterosexual point of view since white heterosexuals consider both Blacks and gays to be minorities. An implication / analogy / similarity that I most definitely do not agree with.

This is why white gays feel they can piggy-back off the Civil Rights Movement to use it as a foundation to support gay rights. Like being Black and gay are the same thing (wait, I already said that).

FYI - overall equality IS a civil rights issue. I don't think any members of the GLBT community are piggy-backing on the BLACK Civil Rights Movement.

See: Stonewall Riots (which occurred around the same time as the Black Civil Rights Movement, hence some of the "piggy-back" perceptions).

/tangent

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

FYI - overall equality IS a civil rights issue. I don't think any members of the GLBT community are piggy-backing on the BLACK Civil Rights Movement.

See: Stonewall Riots (which occurred around the same time as the Black Civil Rights Movement, hence some of the "piggy-back" perceptions).

/tangent

As long as it is clear and understood that one is not the same as the other. And that one can not and should not be used to justify the other, as the quote 33girl provided implied. That is what I was responding to.

In my book, it is a sin to be gay. It is not a sin to be Black, although some would try to make you think it is.

I am personally not going to support laws that I think blatantly condone a sinful act.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

In my book, it is a sin to be gay. It is not a sin to be Black, although some would try to make you think it is.

Justifying it with your religion doesn't make you any less of a bigot.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Justifying it with your religion doesn't make you any less of a bigot.

And attacking my religion does not make you any better.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

And attacking my religion does not make you any better.

Nope, sorry, that's not how intolerance works. You hold bigoted beliefs about gays. I, on the other hand, have said nothing negative about your religion (in fact, I don't even know which religion it is), except that you shouldn't use it to justify your bigoted beliefs.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

As long as it is clear and understood that one is not the same as the other. And that one can not and should not be used to justify the other, as the quote 33girl provided implied. That is what I was responding to.

In my book, it is a sin to be gay. It is not a sin to be Black, although some would try to make you think it is.

I am personally not going to support laws that I think blatantly condone a sinful act.

Just clarifying for you.

And I won't address the rest of the post in order to keep this thread SOMEWHAT on topic.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Just clarifying for you.

And I won't address the rest of the post in order to keep this thread SOMEWHAT on topic.

Good call!

[Munchkin03]

So we DO eventually fall into bigotry in this thread--but not a race war. Imagine that!

NPC/NPHC collaborations are rare, and I think a lot of it has to do with the self-segregating/highly secretive nature of some NPHC groups on some college campuses. Also, I've personally experienced a level of condescension from NPHC members who believe that "all [we] do is drink," or that our commitment isn't lifetime. That's not exactly uncommon.

But, that's totally fine with me.

[IrishLake]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Like being Black and gay are the same thing (wait, I already said that).

I was going to say something funny about Sen based on this above...

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

In my book, it is a sin to be gay. It is not a sin to be Black, although some would try to make you think it is.

Annnnnnnd now, it's not so funny.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I am personally not going to support laws that I think blatantly condone a sinful act.

Well golly, thanks for saving our souls! THANK GOD we have people out there who are going to do their best to keep the rest of us from sinning, by force if they have to!

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by agzg

Well golly, thanks for saving our souls! THANK GOD we have people out there who are going to do their best to keep the rest of us from sinning, by force if they have to!

You're welcome!

And besides, I am only one person with one vote, but I will do my best.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Nope, sorry, that's not how intolerance works. You hold bigoted beliefs about gays. I, on the other hand, have said nothing negative about your religion (in fact, I don't even know which religion it is), except that you shouldn't use it to justify your bigoted beliefs.

Actually, that's exactly how intolerance and bigotry work.

sigmadiva said something you perceived as bigoted. For the record, while I do not agree with her statement or share her belief, I'm not sure it really meets the definition of bigoted either, which is being intolerant of a differing belief, creed or opinion. Not thinking something is good or right or not supporting something is not necessarily the same as being intolerant of those who think differently.

But even if it was a bigoted statement, you responded with what can be perceived as an equally bigoted response: That your idea of what is right should trump someone else's religion, even when you don't know what that religion is. You even go so far as to tell her how she should and shouldn't approach her religion by telling her that she shouldn't use it to justify her bigotry. From my perspective, that doesn't put you in a very good position to call others out for intolerance or bigotry.

It is not intolerant to disagree with someone. It is not intolerant to argue vehemently against the beliefs of another. But it is intolerant to dismiss the beliefs of another on the grounds that they don't mesh with your own.