NPC adding new council members--do you think it could/will happen?

[33girl]

Regardless of whether KBG nationals was a giant box of hair, IMO from what people on here said - including people included with those 2 chapters - the women in the chapters didn't seem to understand the gravity of what they were doing and if they didn't, the older and wiser NPCs colonizing them should have told them. It's the same as if you're pledging a chapter that closes and take a bid from another place. Yes you are entitled and allowed to do that and no you don't have to say anything to your ex-soon-to-be chapter, but it's the good and kind thing to do.

Dr Phil & sigmadiva - I read this on a local mb the other night and was waiting for a GC discussion to slip it into...this seems as good a place as any.

a lotta people think that's the end of racism, when white kids treat black kids as pigmented whites.
which is extremely similar to 'gays against marriage'; we're not the same and we don't want to be.

Truth?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Dr Phil & sigmadiva - I read this on a local mb the other night and was waiting for a GC discussion to slip it into...this seems as good a place as any.

a lotta people think that's the end of racism, when white kids treat black kids as pigmented whites.
which is extremely similar to 'gays against marriage'; we're not the same and we don't want to be.

Truth?

It is no way similar to "gays against marriage," but there is nothing wrong with separation as long as it is based on equal opportunity and equal choice.

[SWTXBelle]

I would use a sports analogy:

Both teams play a sport; One team is playing basketball, one team is playing football. Different rules, different ball, different uniforms - but both are undoubtedly sports teams. Neither one is "better" - just different.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I would use a sports analogy:

Both teams play a sport; One team is playing basketball, one team is playing football. Different rules, different ball, different uniforms - but both are undoubtedly sports teams. Neither one is "better" - just different.

We are both playing basketball; or both playing football. We just have different coaches and different playing strategies.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

It is no way similar to "gays against marriage," but there is nothing wrong with separation as long as it is based on equal opportunity and equal choice.

I didn't think that part was dead on either, but just including the first part seemed a little abrupt.

People don't know the difference between "equality" and "sameness."

ETA: oh jeepers, sorry I took this thread a careening everywhere, this week has been quite tiring and I forgot where I was.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I didn't think that part was dead on either, but just including the first part seemed a little abrupt.

People don't know the difference between "equality" and "sameness."

ETA: oh jeepers, sorry I took this thread a careening everywhere, this week has been quite tiring and I forgot where I was.

Look what you've done!!!! It's all your fault!!!!

I actually like this thread.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Dr Phil & sigmadiva - I read this on a local mb the other night and was waiting for a GC discussion to slip it into...this seems as good a place as any.

a lotta people think that's the end of racism, when white kids treat black kids as pigmented whites.
which is extremely similar to 'gays against marriage'; we're not the same and we don't want to be.

Truth?

I really don't see a connection between the analogies in each statement.

True story: When I was an undergrad a 'study-buddy' of mine was a white girl. One night she was studying with me and our mutual guy friend, who is Black.

As we were leaving the architecture building, she turned to us and said "Y'all are like 'white-Black' people." She really thought she was giving us a compliment. We politely told her that she was not.


I do think, however, whites have a tendency to assume that the world is not right until everyone assimilates to their way of thinking and doing things.

Why can't y'all just accept there are differences in the world, and not everyone wants to be just like you.

Someone mentioned up-thread that the NPHC has been operating just fine the way it has been for just over 100 years, and we are still going strong.

Each org / council has established what ever criteria they felt best for their membership. One is not better than the other - they are just different.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I really don't see a connection between the analogies in each statement.

LOL. I responded based on what I considered the intended implications of the statements.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

True story: When I was an undergrad a 'study-buddy' of mine was a white girl. One night she was studying with me and our mutual guy friend, who is Black.

As we were leaving the architecture building, she turned to us and said "Y'all are like 'white-Black' people." She really thought she was giving us a compliment. We politely told her that she was not.

Yes, many of "us educated Black folk" have received that "compliment" from whites and


I do think, however, whites have a tendency to assume that the world is not right until everyone assimilates to their way of thinking and doing things.

Why can't y'all just accept there are differences in the world, and not everyone wants to be just like you.

Someone mentioned up-thread that the NPHC has been operating just fine the way it has been for just over 100 years, and we are still going strong.

Each org / council has established what ever criteria they felt best for their membership. One is not better than the other - they are just different.

See, I had a long post in response to 33girl's post but didn't post it because I knew it would take this thread elsewhere. I love your post but know that it takes this thread elsewhere. And you know how GC acts when it is taken...elsewhere. *dundundun...dunnnnnnnnnn....*

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

LOL. I responded based on what I considered the intended implications of the statements.

I *think* the implications are that being Black and (separate and a part from) being gay are the "same" from a white heterosexual point of view since white heterosexuals consider both Blacks and gays to be minorities. An implication / analogy / similarity that I most definitely do not agree with.

This is why white gays feel they can piggy-back off the Civil Rights Movement to use it as a foundation to support gay rights. Like being Black and gay are the same thing (wait, I already said that).

See, I had a long post in response to 33girl's post but didn't post it because I knew it would take this thread elsewhere. I love your post but know that it takes this thread elsewhere. And you know how GC acts when it is taken...elsewhere. *dundundun...dunnnnnnnnnn....*

It makes them aware of their feelings towards anyone who is not like them, and it forces them to come to terms with that.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

I do think it would be helpful in a "can't we all just get along" kind of way if the NPHC chapters and NPC chapters would work more closely together at the campus level. When I was in school the NPHC chapters were quite strong, I think, but never knew a single woman who was a member of one. And yes, I've had black friends my whole life, so it wasn't that. It would be nice to have ALL the sororities on campus participating in flag football or attending each others philanthropies or whatever. Co-counsel mixers or exchanges?

I know this his been brought up on GC several times before. Flag Football and Date Parties are not necessarily on non-IFC/NPC members' radars. The entertainment/social events are typically the ones that non-IFC/NPC members get invited to, though.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I *think* the implications are that being Black and (separate and a part from) being gay are the "same" from a white heterosexual point of view since white heterosexuals consider both Blacks and gays to be minorities. An implication / analogy / similarity that I most definitely do not agree with.

This is why white gays feel they can piggy-back off the Civil Rights Movement to use it as a foundation to support gay rights. Like being Black and gay are the same thing (wait, I already said that).

FYI - overall equality IS a civil rights issue. I don't think any members of the GLBT community are piggy-backing on the BLACK Civil Rights Movement.

See: Stonewall Riots (which occurred around the same time as the Black Civil Rights Movement, hence some of the "piggy-back" perceptions).

/tangent

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

FYI - overall equality IS a civil rights issue. I don't think any members of the GLBT community are piggy-backing on the BLACK Civil Rights Movement.

See: Stonewall Riots (which occurred around the same time as the Black Civil Rights Movement, hence some of the "piggy-back" perceptions).

/tangent

As long as it is clear and understood that one is not the same as the other. And that one can not and should not be used to justify the other, as the quote 33girl provided implied. That is what I was responding to.

In my book, it is a sin to be gay. It is not a sin to be Black, although some would try to make you think it is.

I am personally not going to support laws that I think blatantly condone a sinful act.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

In my book, it is a sin to be gay. It is not a sin to be Black, although some would try to make you think it is.

Justifying it with your religion doesn't make you any less of a bigot.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

As long as it is clear and understood that one is not the same as the other. And that one can not and should not be used to justify the other, as the quote 33girl provided implied. That is what I was responding to.

In my book, it is a sin to be gay. It is not a sin to be Black, although some would try to make you think it is.

I am personally not going to support laws that I think blatantly condone a sinful act.

Just clarifying for you.

And I won't address the rest of the post in order to keep this thread SOMEWHAT on topic.

[IrishLake]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Like being Black and gay are the same thing (wait, I already said that).

I was going to say something funny about Sen based on this above...

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

In my book, it is a sin to be gay. It is not a sin to be Black, although some would try to make you think it is.

Annnnnnnd now, it's not so funny.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I am personally not going to support laws that I think blatantly condone a sinful act.

Well golly, thanks for saving our souls! THANK GOD we have people out there who are going to do their best to keep the rest of us from sinning, by force if they have to!