How to stop hazing in my fraternity?

[dnall]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

What you were asked wasn't exactly theoretical:... Anybody familiar with Greek life can quickly identify a number of specific fraternities and sororities that would fit this description, so it should come as no surprise that you would be interpreted as commenting on those fraternities and sororities when you said:

I could not readily identify any such orgs. And I'll tell you why. Cause I don't see behind their closed doors and I don't know if one chapter is the exception or the rule. I prefer to give other orgs the benefit of the doubt. It is frustrating for me when I see orgs give a different impression than that, particularly when they're chapters of my own fraternity, but I don't interpret that to mean their whole org has somehow become meaningless.

The question seemed to me to refer to NPHC groups or sororities. I tried to avoid that specifically to avoid offending anyone, but since you press the point... Similar to what I said about SigNu above, I don't want to believe race or gender is or ever was the basis of any of those organizations. I understand exclusion on that factor may have been the catalyst that initially brought them together, but in my heart of hearts I want to believe that once they sat down and defined the permanent meaning of their org that they did establish a much more meaningful change the world type purpose.

If they didn't, which I still don't believe in history has occurred, then I would find that incredibly unfortunate. That is to me what, beyond the parties and bullshit, what it really is to be greek. In that theoretical situation they'd be missing out on the whole purpose of the experience. Actually, they would be taking good members that could have otherwise been in any other org that does have a major purpose to reshape their lives with.

So, no, I cannot identify any group that meets the criteria listed, and I do view it as an entirely theoretical question. I don't know how anyone could know it to be otherwise about any org particular unless they are an initiate with some experience beyond their own chapter.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

How precisely do you reconcile the two bolded statements?

The key word you're hunting for in those two bolded statements is "particular." I answered a question about my opinion on a theoretical situation that as far as I know does not exist. And then I said it is not my place to judge if that situation actually exists in any particular org. Those two statements juxtapose perfectly well together.

If it makes either of you feel better, I will retract the way I originally stated my opinion, and say instead: If MY fraternity lost touch with its purpose, I would move heaven and earth to force it to reconnect. If it did not have an original change the world purpose or had completed that purpose, then I would force by all possible means it to remake itself with such a purpose nationally and permanently. If I found that not to be possible, I would work to dissolve it, not because I don't love it, but because exactly because I do.