Quota Additions at Super Competitive Schools

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by ADqtPiMel

I do too. Why are you inviting women to your pref parties who you don't want, then? The blessing of being a strong recruiting chapter is that you don't have to invite that many women to pref round.

This. The rule of pref is you don't invite people you don't want on your bidlist to pref.

And, if your recruitment chair and advisors are doing their job, no one else should know WHERE on a bidlist specific people are, or who was a QA. Snap bids are the only type of bids given in formal recruitment where the NM might stand out simply because she arrived later or wasn't at bid day festivities. (And then only in cases where snap bids aren't all handled earlier, although sometimes people are harder to get a hold of for snap bids.)

But QAs should show up with the rest of the class and no one should know whether Suzy or Annie or Becca was on the first bidlist or was the last QA.

[ADqtPiMel]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

And, if your recruitment chair and advisors are doing their job, no one else should know WHERE on a bidlist specific people are, or who was a QA.

Right. As soon as we get our list of new members, the bid list goes to me (recruitment advisor) and I keep it for posterity -- but no one else gets a copy, and the recruitment chairs know not to reveal where anyone was on the bid list. It would be horrible if the chapter knew who the QAs were!

[AXOrushadvisor]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

This. The rule of pref is you don't invite people you don't want on your bidlist to pref.

And, if your recruitment chair and advisors are doing their job, no one else should know WHERE on a bidlist specific people are, or who was a QA. Snap bids are the only type of bids given in formal recruitment where the NM might stand out simply because she arrived later or wasn't at bid day festivities. (And then only in cases where snap bids aren't all handled earlier, although sometimes people are harder to get a hold of for snap bids.)

But QAs should show up with the rest of the class and no one should know whether Suzy or Annie or Becca was on the first bidlist or was the last QA.

Our women have no idea who falls where just that there might be 1 or 2 women who they are not overly fond of. I know that if QA was not done they would not be in the Chapter, but they only have an idea that they were the QA's. The QA's come on the bid list with no special recognition just listed with all the other women.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AXOrushadvisor

Our women have no idea who falls where just that there might be 1 or 2 women who they are not overly fond of. I know that if QA was not done they would not be in the Chapter, but they only have an idea that they were the QA's. The QA's come on the bid list with no special recognition just listed with all the other women.

Right but that's different than looking down on QAs for being QAs which is what you said. "They're not a blessing"

Hell yes they are. They're on your bid list so you wanted them AND you got them.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by AXOrushadvisor

Our women have no idea who falls where just that there might be 1 or 2 women who they are not overly fond of. I know that if QA was not done they would not be in the Chapter, but they only have an idea that they were the QA's. The QA's come on the bid list with no special recognition just listed with all the other women.

I have a hard time wrapping my mind around a high recruiting strength chapter not loving everyone on their bid list, and most likely plenty more that they had to cut due to RFM. Unless there's drama on an individual level. Even then, usually the problems high recruiting strength chapters have is separating good from great, especially after just one round, so I'd think that even if there was drama between a member and a PNM, she'd be axed ASAP. You can to search for reasons to cut women. High recruiting strength chapters have to make the biggest cuts, and are drawing from the top of the pile.

[ADqtPiMel]

Originally Posted by violetpretty

I have a hard time wrapping my mind around a high recruiting strength chapter not loving everyone on their bid list, and most likely plenty more that they had to cut due to RFM. Unless there's drama on an individual level. Even then, usually the problems high recruiting strength chapters have is separating good from great, especially after just one round, so I'd think that even if there was drama between a member and a PNM, she'd be axed ASAP. You can to search for reasons to cut women. High recruiting strength chapters have to make the biggest cuts, and are drawing from the top of the pile.

Seriously. The chapter I advise would typically love to offer a bid to most of the PNMs who attend our round BEFORE pref. It's incredibly difficult to cut down to the number we invite back for pref. I just can't fathom a "strong recruiting" chapter having women at pref that they don't like.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by ADqtPiMel

Seriously. The chapter I advise would typically love to offer a bid to most of the PNMs who attend our round BEFORE pref. It's incredibly difficult to cut down to the number we invite back for pref. I just can't fathom a "strong recruiting" chapter having women at pref that they don't like.

It's sounding like it's not really that they don't like them but that they blame the QAs for the absence of their rush crush. Which means that someone is not protecting the bid list, and someone else is not explaining what QAs are to chapter members and verbally hitting them upside the head for being idiots and rude about their NMs. NMs who were on their bid list, and who WANT to be there.

[AOII Angel]

Oh, I am quite sure that the issue is always one of misunderstanding. No one knows who the QAs are, but women will pick out who they think they are because that's who THEY wouldn't have wanted. Catty women can find reasons to be unhappy no matter what perfect situation you give them. Discovering that not everyone is perfectly happy on bid day in the top chapters shouldn't be a complete surprise. The grass is always greener on the other side.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Oh, I am quite sure that the issue is always one of misunderstanding. No one knows who the QAs are, but women will pick out who they think they are because that's who THEY wouldn't have wanted. Catty women can find reasons to be unhappy no matter what perfect situation you give them. Discovering that not everyone is perfectly happy on bid day in the top chapters shouldn't be a complete surprise. The grass is always greener on the other side.

However, the comments that started this conversation came from a) an advisor and b) indicated specifically that these were women from "way down under" and were "not a blessing."

THAT is where there's a serious breakdown in the process. Isn't it the advisor's job to straighten the actives out - whether redirecting their attitudes or correcting their creation of a bidlist that contains PNMs they do not want. I'd started to give it some slack, because of later comments, but the original comment highlights the problem here.