Liberal Activist Gets Stomped On By Rand Paul Supporters

[Elephant Walk]

As a note, I'm a huge Rand Paul fan.

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Fuck off.

Sometimes I feel that you have a permanent case of the Mondays.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Sometimes I feel that you have a permanent case of the Mondays.

She's playing Rebel Without A Cause, Rage Against The Machine, I'm Unique Because I'm a Non-Conformist. Pick one. She's still upset about he ex, and she's trying to act like she doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything. Look at the southern shoes thread... "I'm not following any social rules because social rules are stupid". Yes - I went there, because someone needed to call her on it.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

She's playing Rebel Without A Cause, Rage Against The Machine, I'm Unique Because I'm a Non-Conformist. Pick one. She's still upset about he ex, and she's trying to act like she doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything. Look at the southern shoes thread... "I'm not following any social rules because social rules are stupid". Yes - I went there, because someone needed to call her on it.

That was way harsh, Jess.

Whatever it may be, if someone is posting in a way we don't care for and we know they have real issues in their life it is kind of different to call them out as opposed to someone who doesn't let on that there is something going on that isn't just sand in a vagina and a crappy personality. I've called people out who I think are ridiculous but not if I know there are real issues at play. I'm not saying we should be supportive and like everyone, but acknowledge there are some people going through rough times and if being on GC and not being pleasant gets them through another day and through their shit in one piece I can ignore it because at least they are making contact with the world somehow.

Not that I know enough about Drolefille's personal life and motivation to be for sure anything is really going on, but am applying this to other people who have been here and not always been in sync with us and it is obvious something larger is at play whether it is ever confirmed or not.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

She's playing Rebel Without A Cause, Rage Against The Machine, I'm Unique Because I'm a Non-Conformist. Pick one. She's still upset about he ex, and she's trying to act like she doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything. Look at the southern shoes thread... "I'm not following any social rules because social rules are stupid". Yes - I went there, because someone needed to call her on it.

When you get anything about me right, feel free to try and call me on it again. Seriously, anything. Go ahead. I'll be right here.

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

That was way harsh, Jess.

Whatever it may be, if someone is posting in a way we don't care for and we know they have real issues in their life it is kind of different to call them out as opposed to someone who doesn't let on that there is something going on that isn't just sand in a vagina and a crappy personality. I've called people out who I think are ridiculous but not if I know there are real issues at play. I'm not saying we should be supportive and like everyone, but acknowledge there are some people going through rough times and if being on GC and not being pleasant gets them through another day and through their shit in one piece I can ignore it because at least they are making contact with the world somehow.

Not that I know enough about Drolefille's personal life and motivation to be for sure anything is really going on, but am applying this to other people who have been here and not always been in sync with us and it is obvious something larger is at play whether it is ever confirmed or not.

I'm just trying to figure out how being anti-assault is non-conformist these days.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

When you get anything about me right, feel free to try and call me on it again. Seriously, anything. Go ahead. I'll be right here.



I'm just trying to figure out how being anti-assault is non-conformist these days.

No idea about the relationship here but this is not the first incident of private security/private individuals at rallies or other public events over stepping what they should be doing and making it physical. Even if people who are not fans of the candidate go looking for a fight or drama it doesn't make for good PR when people are physically assaulted and it is documented. Same thing happened in Alaska with a candidate and a news blogger at a public school and private security of the candidate. Last I read charges are not being filed but I don't think it helps any movement or candidate appear legitimate when their followers and supporters cross the line. Yes it is an individual making a choice to be physical with another, but if the candidate doesn't speak out against it that isn't a good sign to me. In this case Profitt (the guy who put his foot on her head because of a bad back) is no longer working on the campaign, which is probably a good move for the candidate.

I do find it somewhat savvy/a boon to those who have an agenda to discredit that a young smaller woman was the person who had hands laid on her, and it could have been very different if a man had been in the same situation. I'm not saying that it was planned for someone to be attacked but the way it is being spun is no surprise. Conway, the other candidate is now using this as a woman's issue and as much as I dislike women being seen as people who are delicate and need protection other people get on board with it and that's ridiculous to make it about gender and not about someone who is allegedly a perpetrator of assault.

This story made me when he thinks he should get an apology from the woman he put his foot on. I am kind of confused but the whole situation is rife with crazy http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Perhaps it was the "Fuck off" directed at me.

Her and I DID have a close GC relationship. Not so much anymore, but it doesn't have anything to do with this specific situation. That's why I feel I am able to make a good comparison between Drolefille now and 3 years ago. People change to some extent, but usually not to this extreme.

You got a fuck off directed at you because you said the victim deserved it. Considering the other 'blame the victim' thread we have going atm, it seemed apropos.

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I get that. And, no I don't think she needs to be like me. How she responds is her choice, but you don't necessarily do any favors for someone by just letting them continue in a manner that is so blatently different from their previous attitude. Drolefille's never been a stereotypical southern sorority queen, but lately the contrainess (I don't think that's actually a word, but whatever) to social norms has hit new levels.

It seems like you can't decide if this is because I'm bitchy, trying to pretend I don't care about anyone, upset about my ex, or because I'm wearing white after Labor Day.

Just to set your oh-so-concerned mind at ease, I expressed that prohibition on wearing white after Labor Day didn't make sense to me and that I didn't see how it was 'common sense.' I did not suggest that everyone run around without pants. As for my bucking the social norms in general, nothing's changed. Since you're so curious, I almost never wear makeup, prefer pants to skirts and would rather be in jeans and a T-shirt than work attire. (OMG SHOCKING) I wear a bra, I don't drink alcohol, I support people's right to love, sleep with or marry any consenting adult they like. I do not support people who blame victims, make sexist or racist remarks as a matter of course, or who try and fail to put my personal business out on the internet.

In addition, I haven't been upset about my exboyfriend for quite some time now. I'm quite content with my romantic life, thank you so much for your concern.

If you just want to call me out for being a bitch, fine, do it. But don't pretend you did this for me, or because you think I needed a wake up call. If you can't be bothered to get the basic facts about my life together before you post about it then you should probably shut up and close the window. And brush up on your 'psych background' before you try to analyze the next target of your affections.

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

No idea about the relationship here but this is not the first incident of private security/private individuals at rallies or other public events over stepping what they should be doing and making it physical. Even if people who are not fans of the candidate go looking for a fight or drama it doesn't make for good PR when people are physically assaulted and it is documented. Same thing happened in Alaska with a candidate and a news blogger at a public school and private security of the candidate. Last I read charges are not being filed but I don't think it helps any movement or candidate appear legitimate when their followers and supporters cross the line. Yes it is an individual making a choice to be physical with another, but if the candidate doesn't speak out against it that isn't a good sign to me. In this case Profitt (the guy who put his foot on her head because of a bad back) is no longer working on the campaign, which is probably a good move for the candidate.

I do find it somewhat savvy/a boon to those who have an agenda to discredit that a young smaller woman was the person who had hands laid on her, and it could have been very different if a man had been in the same situation. I'm not saying that it was planned for someone to be attacked but the way it is being spun is no surprise. Conway, the other candidate is now using this as a woman's issue and as much as I dislike women being seen as people who are delicate and need protection other people get on board with it and that's ridiculous to make it about gender and not about someone who is allegedly a perpetrator of assault.

This story made me when he thinks he should get an apology from the woman he put his foot on. I am kind of confused but the whole situation is rife with crazy http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

I agree with you that this in particular is not a gender issue (fits into statistics maybe, but that's not the main point here) and should be addressed as an assault first and foremost. The perp here thinking he should get an apology? Ridiculous and I hope he is charged.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

That was way harsh, Jess.

Whatever it may be, if someone is posting in a way we don't care for and we know they have real issues in their life it is kind of different to call them out as opposed to someone who doesn't let on that there is something going on that isn't just sand in a vagina and a crappy personality. I've called people out who I think are ridiculous but not if I know there are real issues at play. I'm not saying we should be supportive and like everyone, but acknowledge there are some people going through rough times and if being on GC and not being pleasant gets them through another day and through their shit in one piece I can ignore it because at least they are making contact with the world somehow.

Not that I know enough about Drolefille's personal life and motivation to be for sure anything is really going on, but am applying this to other people who have been here and not always been in sync with us and it is obvious something larger is at play whether it is ever confirmed or not.

It's not a matter of "posting in a way I don't like". As someone in the psych field, she should realize that sometimes it takes a harsh call-out to wake up and take a look at what you are doing. I've gone this road on GC myself - being a total bitch (not just snarky) until someone called me out on it and made me take a look back at myself. Yeah, I hated that person for saying it (for awhile, I got over it...in fact I'm not even 100% sure who it was. I'm thinking kddani) - but I needed to hear it. I was taking personal issues out here and had a complete personality flip flop. Once I recognized it, I could make the decision to stop. Yes, I still get bitchy sometimes - but it's more of a mood thing and not a constant.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

It's not a matter of "posting in a way I don't like". As someone in the psych field, she should realize that sometimes it takes a harsh call-out to wake up and take a look at what you are doing. I've gone this road on GC myself - being a total bitch (not just snarky) until someone called me out on it and made me take a look back at myself. Yeah, I hated that person for saying it (for awhile, I got over it...in fact I'm not even 100% sure who it was. I'm thinking kddani) - but I needed to hear it. I was taking personal issues out here and had a complete personality flip flop. Once I recognized it, I could make the decision to stop. Yes, I still get bitchy sometimes - but it's more of a mood thing and not a constant.

That's your choice to make and how you responded to someone who called you out, but it appears she doesn't feel the same and no one can make someone admit to something they aren't ready to or that they don't believe is true. I have a background in psychology as well and that doesn't mean any of us are hyper aware of our own perception we're putting out for others and have control over everything at any time. As much as we'd like people to see the reality we see and how we think it would help them to be like us, it frankly isn't going to happen on our time line no matter how much we want it to.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

That's your choice to make and how you responded to someone who called you out, but it appears she doesn't feel the same and no one can make someone admit to something they aren't ready to or that they don't believe is true. I have a background in psychology as well and that doesn't mean any of us are hyper aware of our own perception we're putting out for others and have control over everything at any time. As much as we'd like people to see the reality we see and how we think it would help them to be like us, it frankly isn't going to happen on our time line no matter how much we want it to.

I get that. And, no I don't think she needs to be like me. How she responds is her choice, but you don't necessarily do any favors for someone by just letting them continue in a manner that is so blatently different from their previous attitude. Drolefille's never been a stereotypical southern sorority queen, but lately the contrainess (I don't think that's actually a word, but whatever) to social norms has hit new levels.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I get that. And, no I don't think she needs to be like me. How she responds is her choice, but you don't necessarily do any favors for someone by just letting them continue in a manner that is so blatently different from their previous attitude. Drolefille's never been a stereotypical southern sorority queen, but lately the contrainess (I don't think that's actually a word, but whatever) to social norms has hit new levels.

Well for whatever reason it is bothering you and that's your issue, and has nothing to do with her. There are lots of people here I find to be completely deranged and delusional but I realize why I think that way and just take it for what it is, a user name on a message board. Something has obviously really struck a chord within you and perhaps that is an area within your own life that really has nothing to do with her. There are plenty of posts and ideas that a lot of people disagree with but you really made it personal and took it there because what she is saying is bothering you and you feel she needed to be told so she doesn't continue in this manner. I don't understand your stake in her behavior that a public call out was required over a PM or conferring with someone she has a stronger GC relationship with. If those steps were taken I apologize as I am unaware of it but you are reacting to her for a reason.