Gay Emory Student Dragged From Frat Party

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

I'm the first person to forget my manners and preach to homophobes, but I have to agree with you here. Of course, if it was solely a gay bashing, that's a different matter, but I'm doubting it was.

They called him a faggot after asking his orientation. That pretty much says all it needs to about their opinions on gay people.

Was he being a douche? Maybe.
Does being a douche deserve getting assaulted? No.
Should he have been kicked out? Quite probably. It's a private party.
Threatened, called a faggot for wearing a 'gay-ass hat', and then assaulted to a supposedly cheering crowd? No.

So, in short. What DrPhil said.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

They called him a faggot after asking his orientation. That pretty much says all it needs to about their opinions on gay people.

Was he being a douche? Maybe.
Does being a douche deserve getting assaulted? No.
Should he have been kicked out? Quite probably. It's a private party.
Threatened, called a faggot for wearing a 'gay-ass hat', and then assaulted to a supposedly cheering crowd? No.

So, in short. What DrPhil said.

I didn't mean to imply it's ok to kick someone's ass just because they're being annoying, but I was just saying it seems premature to assume it was a hate crime, when it seems to really be a bunch of guys getting offended and crossing the line from assholery into criminal behavior. Should they be punished? Of course, and they should be regardless of who the victim is as there was no reason to assault him.

It would be nice if they'd get over themselves and let go of obvious prejudices, but I doubt they will.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

I didn't mean to imply it's ok to kick someone's ass just because they're being annoying, but I was just saying it seems premature to assume it was a hate crime, when it seems to really be a bunch of guys getting offended and crossing the line from assholery into criminal behavior. Should they be punished? Of course, and they should be regardless of who the victim is as there was no reason to assault him.

It would be nice if they'd get over themselves and let go of obvious prejudices, but I doubt they will.

I don't believe anyone used the words "hate crime" here. You seemed to be excusing it on the grounds that it was not 'solely" a gay bashing. And blaming the victim, which is, you know, shitty.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I don't believe anyone used the words "hate crime" here. You seemed to be excusing it on the grounds that it was not 'solely" a gay bashing. And blaming the victim, which is, you know, shitty.

Nope. I haven't even come close to implying that what they did was ok and have in very clear black and white said it wasn't. Nor have I blamed the victim for a thing. As I said in the post you quoted.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

Nope. I haven't even come close to implying that what they did was ok and have in very clear black and white said it wasn't. Nor have I blamed the victim for a thing. As I said in the post you quoted.

No, you said you didn't mean to. But what you previously said was:

I'm the first person to forget my manners and preach to homophobes, but I have to agree with you here. [That he should have used common sense] Of course, if it was solely a gay bashing, that's a different matter, but I'm doubting it was.

Where you, and sigmadiva, bordered on, if not actually crossed into blaming the victim.

Intent isn't magic, you still did it even if it was an accident.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

No, you said you didn't mean to. But what you previously said was:

Where you, and sigmadiva, bordered on, if not actually crossed into blaming the victim.

Intent isn't magic, you still did it even if it was an accident.

So...again, I haven't blamed the victim, nor have I ever said it was ok. Glad we're on the same page.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

So...again, I haven't blamed the victim, nor have I ever said it was ok. Glad we're on the same page.

You're such a moron.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

So...again, I haven't blamed the victim, nor have I ever said it was ok. Glad we're on the same page.

Well, victim precipitation can border on victim blame depending on the crime and the actions of the victim.

Ranting about "common sense" and an annoying gay dude is along the lines of saying that he essentially waved his ass in the air for it to get kicked.

That isn't to say that he couldn't have been smarter to prevent dumbass fraternity men from doing dumbass stuff. But how unsmart he was is up for debate. Moreover, I don't care how dumb someone is, when you use homophobic slurs you are making it about your opinion of homosexuals rather than how annoying that particular person is.