NPC Hazing deaths?

[ree-Xi]

OP does a lot of digging around in other people's backyards.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Is he doing a wikipedia entry?

He has changed other organizations' Wiki pages.

He's also working on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...and_Sororities

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I found it interesting that a very very similar thread was started by him 9 years ago.

And by interesting I mean suspicious.

Made me think a point was attempting to be made, or yes a paper was being written.

My suspicions have been raised for quite a while. My gut is usually never wrong.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by ree-Xi

OP does a lot of digging around in other people's backyards.



He has changed other organizations' Wiki pages.

He's also working on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...and_Sororities



My suspicions have been raised for quite a while. My gut is usually never wrong.

In regards to suspicions, yes, I am on the Fraternities and Sororities Project, right now I am currently involved with fighting off a jackass who is trying to add specific inappropriate things to the Kappa Sigma Page.

If you want to take a look at my Wikipedia pages, checking out the pages I created and continue to expand on Notable Alpha Phi Omega Brothers, Alpha Phi Omega chapters for both the US and the Philippines and for the Alpha Phi Omega Conventions would be a place to start. (I'm on Alpha Phi Omega's National History Committee).

And with the possible exception of the issue when someone claiming to be (correctly but unverifiably) a Gamma Sigma Sigma board member went through and made unreferenced changes to the Gamma Sigma Sigma page to reflect the change in tone from the schools that founded to the organizations that founded, I don't think any of the changes on Wikipedia that I've made have been controversial in a way that members of GLOs would be on the other side...

If I try this question here on GC every nine years, that paper must have a lot of dust on it...

Of the possible reasons listed for why I asked, Dr Phil's

Is the intent a follow-up to that other hazing thread and to convince aspirants that it isn't so bad, afterall, come join us?

is probably closest.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by naraht

Of the possible reasons listed for why I asked, Dr Phil's

Is the intent a follow-up to that other hazing thread and to convince aspirants that it isn't so bad, afterall, come join us?

is probably closest.

I knew that and it's very, extremely, and unfortunately unfortunate.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I knew that and it's very, extremely, and unfortunately unfortunate.

I said it was probably closest, but I wouldn't say that it is actually the reason that I asked. Yes, the spark was the question over on the other thread, but the reason is that I asked myself whether or not I had heard of such a thing and couldn't remember, I thought there might be others who did.

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by naraht

In regards to suspicions, yes, I am on the Fraternities and Sororities Project, right now I am currently involved with fighting off a jackass who is trying to add specific inappropriate things to the Kappa Sigma Page.

If you want to take a look at my Wikipedia pages, checking out the pages I created and continue to expand on Notable Alpha Phi Omega Brothers, Alpha Phi Omega chapters for both the US and the Philippines and for the Alpha Phi Omega Conventions would be a place to start. (I'm on Alpha Phi Omega's National History Committee).

And with the possible exception of the issue when someone claiming to be (correctly but unverifiably) a Gamma Sigma Sigma board member went through and made unreferenced changes to the Gamma Sigma Sigma page to reflect the change in tone from the schools that founded to the organizations that founded, I don't think any of the changes on Wikipedia that I've made have been controversial in a way that members of GLOs would be on the other side...

If I try this question here on GC every nine years, that paper must have a lot of dust on it...

Of the possible reasons listed for why I asked, Dr Phil's

Is the intent a follow-up to that other hazing thread and to convince aspirants that it isn't so bad, afterall, come join us?

is probably closest.

Why are you in other groups' pages/business?

Do you monitor every Greek Wiki page to see what is changed and who does it?

You challenged a Gamma Sigma Sigma member - who you said wasn't readily identifiable, because you aren't a member - who updated something on their Wiki page.

As for Kappa Sigma, shouldn't you leave any issues to their members?

What point are you trying to make regarding hazing deaths in sororities? Are you going to speak at convocation for Sorority Recruitment? Write articles on Wikipedia saying that "fraternities and sororities aren't "so bad"? To which audience will you spread your "expertise" (which is not experience-based, rather, a collection of information fed to you)?

Your interest comes across as much more than casual. And that's why it bugs me.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by ree-Xi

Why are you in other groups' pages/business?

Do you monitor every Greek Wiki page to see what is changed and who does it?

You challenged a Gamma Sigma Sigma member - who you said wasn't readily identifiable, because you aren't a member - who updated something on their Wiki page.

As for Kappa Sigma, shouldn't you leave any issues to their members?

What point are you trying to make regarding hazing deaths in sororities? Are you going to speak at convocation for Sorority Recruitment? Write articles on Wikipedia saying that "fraternities and sororities aren't "so bad"? To which audience will you spread your "expertise" (which is not experience-based, rather, a collection of information fed to you)?

Your interest comes across as much more than casual. And that's why it bugs me.

To be fair on the first part, being a member of an org isn't required to edit the wiki. An editing war is less about who knows more about the topic and more about who knows more about the appropriate tone/format for an article. It's not about personal knowledge although that can help.

The rest, well, it is off putting for reasons i can't quite put my finger on.

[als463]

The only other book I would suggest is "Pledged" but, that seemed more about sensationalism. That is weird, though. It is true. We don't normally hear too much about NPC hazing deaths yet, someone came on here the other day afraid to look at sorority life.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by als463

The only other book I would suggest is "Pledged" but, that seemed more about sensationalism. That is weird, though. It is true.

"Pledged" was a work of fiction, right?

Originally Posted by als463

We don't normally hear too much about NPC hazing deaths yet, someone came on here the other day afraid to look at sorority life.

But, that doesn't stop the NPC ball from rolling.

[als463]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

"Pledged" was a work of fiction, right?



But, that doesn't stop the NPC ball from rolling.

Apparently, some of it wasn't. I don't really know and I don't really care, I am just trying to give examples of what the OP could look at. I never said it stopped the NPC ball from rolling.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

"Pledged" was a work of fiction, right?

I like to think most of it is.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by als463

The only other book I would suggest is "Pledged" but, that seemed more about sensationalism. That is weird, though. It is true. We don't normally hear too much about NPC hazing deaths yet, someone came on here the other day afraid to look at sorority life.

I actually own a copy of Pledged that I found at a Yard Sale, I think I paid 25 cents for it, and frankly I overpaid given the sensationalism. I haven't actually made it all the way through. Ick.

[Animate]

Originally Posted by als463

The only other book I would suggest is "Pledged" but, that seemed more about sensationalism. That is weird, though. It is true. We don't normally hear too much about NPC hazing deaths yet, someone came on here the other day afraid to look at sorority life.

Which makes me think that these hazing deaths aren't as few and far between as people want to believe they are.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Animate

Which makes me think that these hazing deaths aren't as few and far between as people want to believe they are.

I think it's more that most hazing doesn't lead to death but can still be scary. Buckets of offal dumped on people's heads for example. And MOST hazing falls into that "technically hazing but no one here has a problem with anything" category.

Now, if you count alcohol deaths that could have been provoked/pushed by hazing or even just peer pressure of a senior member over a NM.. I dunno. Still rare but just sort of 'feels' scary to someone w/o the knowledge.

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

To be fair on the first part, being a member of an org isn't required to edit the wiki. An editing war is less about who knows more about the topic and more about who knows more about the appropriate tone/format for an article. It's not about personal knowledge although that can help.

The rest, well, it is off putting for reasons i can't quite put my finger on.

I know that, but it's the collection of the OP's questions, intrusions and activities that makes me wonder.

*shrug*

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by agzg

As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather not rehash any cases here. Perhaps one should do his own research instead of using sorority members to do it for him, hmmm?

Please.

Originally Posted by ree-Xi

OP does a lot of digging around in other people's backyards.

And you do a lot of lane swerving, so what's the damn difference? He has just as much free time as you do, yet still manages to contribute to his fraternity (since his initiation as a collegian) and to the Greek community at large.

In other words, you've got a lot of shit to say -- shut up.