NPC Hazing deaths?

ree-Xi · #1 05-26-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by naraht

In regards to suspicions, yes, I am on the Fraternities and Sororities Project, right now I am currently involved with fighting off a jackass who is trying to add specific inappropriate things to the Kappa Sigma Page.

If you want to take a look at my Wikipedia pages, checking out the pages I created and continue to expand on Notable Alpha Phi Omega Brothers, Alpha Phi Omega chapters for both the US and the Philippines and for the Alpha Phi Omega Conventions would be a place to start. (I'm on Alpha Phi Omega's National History Committee).

And with the possible exception of the issue when someone claiming to be (correctly but unverifiably) a Gamma Sigma Sigma board member went through and made unreferenced changes to the Gamma Sigma Sigma page to reflect the change in tone from the schools that founded to the organizations that founded, I don't think any of the changes on Wikipedia that I've made have been controversial in a way that members of GLOs would be on the other side...

If I try this question here on GC every nine years, that paper must have a lot of dust on it...

Of the possible reasons listed for why I asked, Dr Phil's

Is the intent a follow-up to that other hazing thread and to convince aspirants that it isn't so bad, afterall, come join us?

is probably closest.

Why are you in other groups' pages/business?

Do you monitor every Greek Wiki page to see what is changed and who does it?

You challenged a Gamma Sigma Sigma member - who you said wasn't readily identifiable, because you aren't a member - who updated something on their Wiki page.

As for Kappa Sigma, shouldn't you leave any issues to their members?

What point are you trying to make regarding hazing deaths in sororities? Are you going to speak at convocation for Sorority Recruitment? Write articles on Wikipedia saying that "fraternities and sororities aren't "so bad"? To which audience will you spread your "expertise" (which is not experience-based, rather, a collection of information fed to you)?

Your interest comes across as much more than casual. And that's why it bugs me.

Drolefille · #2 05-26-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ree-Xi

Why are you in other groups' pages/business?

Do you monitor every Greek Wiki page to see what is changed and who does it?

You challenged a Gamma Sigma Sigma member - who you said wasn't readily identifiable, because you aren't a member - who updated something on their Wiki page.

As for Kappa Sigma, shouldn't you leave any issues to their members?

What point are you trying to make regarding hazing deaths in sororities? Are you going to speak at convocation for Sorority Recruitment? Write articles on Wikipedia saying that "fraternities and sororities aren't "so bad"? To which audience will you spread your "expertise" (which is not experience-based, rather, a collection of information fed to you)?

Your interest comes across as much more than casual. And that's why it bugs me.

To be fair on the first part, being a member of an org isn't required to edit the wiki. An editing war is less about who knows more about the topic and more about who knows more about the appropriate tone/format for an article. It's not about personal knowledge although that can help.

The rest, well, it is off putting for reasons i can't quite put my finger on.

als463 · #3 05-26-2010, 02:00 PM

The only other book I would suggest is "Pledged" but, that seemed more about sensationalism. That is weird, though. It is true. We don't normally hear too much about NPC hazing deaths yet, someone came on here the other day afraid to look at sorority life.

DrPhil · #4 05-26-2010, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by als463

The only other book I would suggest is "Pledged" but, that seemed more about sensationalism. That is weird, though. It is true.

"Pledged" was a work of fiction, right?

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Originally Posted by als463

We don't normally hear too much about NPC hazing deaths yet, someone came on here the other day afraid to look at sorority life.

But, that doesn't stop the NPC ball from rolling.

als463 · #5 05-26-2010, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

"Pledged" was a work of fiction, right?

But, that doesn't stop the NPC ball from rolling.

Apparently, some of it wasn't. I don't really know and I don't really care, I am just trying to give examples of what the OP could look at. I never said it stopped the NPC ball from rolling.

agzg · #6 05-26-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

"Pledged" was a work of fiction, right?

I like to think most of it is.

naraht · #7 05-26-2010, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg

I like to think most of it is.

I agree with you on that.

I'm still trying to figure out which is most accurate, "Pledged", "Peggy Sanday's Fraternity Gang Rape" or the graffiti in the Men's room near campus, and frankly I'm leaning toward the Graffiti.

OTOH, there are some books on the Subject that I think are definitely worth while. Start with Baird's Manual of American College Fraternities for the dry facts, Add Lawrence Ross's Divine Nine or Black Greek 101 for the NPHCs and some of the widely published specific history books like the one for Delta Sigma Theta.

Hank Nuwer's writings, such as Broken Pledges, however accurate they are should *not* be the first information that a prosective member gets.

DrPhil · #8 05-26-2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by naraht

Add Lawrence Ross's Divine Nine or Black Greek 101 for the NPHCs and some of the widely published specific history books like the one for (are you talking about In Search of Sisterhood?) Delta Sigma Theta.

Are you saying these books cover the topic of hazing?

naraht · #9 05-26-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by als463

The only other book I would suggest is "Pledged" but, that seemed more about sensationalism. That is weird, though. It is true. We don't normally hear too much about NPC hazing deaths yet, someone came on here the other day afraid to look at sorority life.

I actually own a copy of Pledged that I found at a Yard Sale, I think I paid 25 cents for it, and frankly I overpaid given the sensationalism. I haven't actually made it all the way through. Ick.

Animate · #10 05-26-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by als463

The only other book I would suggest is "Pledged" but, that seemed more about sensationalism. That is weird, though. It is true. We don't normally hear too much about NPC hazing deaths yet, someone came on here the other day afraid to look at sorority life.

Which makes me think that these hazing deaths aren't as few and far between as people want to believe they are.

Drolefille · #11 05-26-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Animate

Which makes me think that these hazing deaths aren't as few and far between as people want to believe they are.

I think it's more that most hazing doesn't lead to death but can still be scary. Buckets of offal dumped on people's heads for example. And MOST hazing falls into that "technically hazing but no one here has a problem with anything" category.

Now, if you count alcohol deaths that could have been provoked/pushed by hazing or even just peer pressure of a senior member over a NM.. I dunno. Still rare but just sort of 'feels' scary to someone w/o the knowledge.

als463 · #12 05-26-2010, 07:24 PM

naraht, I have never read Broken Pledges. Is that a good book? I might have to check it out. I am attempting to read this Wuthering Heights and it is boring the hell out of me. I'm thinking of picking up a copy of Broken Pledges. Do you have any other interesting books you would suggest regarding Greek Life, in general, that I could check out?

naraht · #13 05-26-2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by als463

naraht, I have never read Broken Pledges. Is that a good book? I might have to check it out. I am attempting to read this Wuthering Heights and it is boring the hell out of me. I'm thinking of picking up a copy of Broken Pledges. Do you have any other interesting books you would suggest regarding Greek Life, in general, that I could check out?

I do recommend it. It is definitely not an anti-fraternity diatribe, Nuwer was in a local social fraternity at Buffalo State College (this was during a time when the National Fraternities were banned at the New York State Schools). From what I understand he has been invited to give talks at National Conventions of some the NIC fraternities. A more complete answer would probably be better in the Greek Life section, do you want to start it there, or should I?

ree-Xi · #14 05-26-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

To be fair on the first part, being a member of an org isn't required to edit the wiki. An editing war is less about who knows more about the topic and more about who knows more about the appropriate tone/format for an article. It's not about personal knowledge although that can help.

The rest, well, it is off putting for reasons i can't quite put my finger on.

I know that, but it's the collection of the OP's questions, intrusions and activities that makes me wonder.

*shrug*