Nun excommunicated for allowing abortion to save the life of a mother

[ASUADPi]

This just clarifies to me why I sometimes don't understand the Catholic church.

And seriously, I plan to avoid St. Joe's if I ever move back to AZ. Which is sad that I say that because as an AZ native, I know that St. Joe's is one of the better hospitals in the Phx metro area (see Bret Michaels who is at the Barrow nuerological institute).

I just don't understand why the Catholic church would think it is okay for this young woman, with 4 young children, should die because they don't want her to have a life saving abortion and now are punishing the people at the hospital who performed it. I guess I just don't understand when a fetus (a fetus, not even a baby) became more important than those 4 living, breathing, human beings! I just don't get it. Someone please explain it to me.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

This just clarifies to me why I sometimes don't understand the Catholic church.

And seriously, I plan to avoid St. Joe's if I ever move back to AZ. Which is sad that I say that because as an AZ native, I know that St. Joe's is one of the better hospitals in the Phx metro area (see Bret Michaels who is at the Barrow nuerological institute).

I just don't understand why the Catholic church would think it is okay for this young woman, with 4 young children, should die because they don't want her to have a life saving abortion and now are punishing the people at the hospital who performed it. I guess I just don't understand when a fetus (a fetus, not even a baby) became more important than those 4 living, breathing, human beings! I just don't get it. Someone please explain it to me.

I think it's what happens when you're so concerned about the afterlife that the life isn't as big of a concern. Not that the Church wants people to die, but they would rather you die innocent than sin so gravely.

And it's the whole life begins at conception thing too. Because they can't figure out, or god forbid make up, the moment when the soul exists they save time and go back to sperm+egg. Technically preventing implantation is equivalent to abortion as the Church sees it.

The whole thing is a clusterfuck. So focused on black and white yes/nos that you can't promote condoms to prevent disease.

[Pope]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

The whole thing is a clusterfuck.

This.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Pope

This.

LOL.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Technically preventing implantation is equivalent to abortion as the Church sees it.

I was pretty sure it was the Sacred Sperm thing. Sex is to be used only for purposes of procreation, ((though the Church does now allow married couples to use natural family planning)) and anything that can not result in pregency is a sin.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

I was pretty sure it was the Sacred Sperm thing. Sex is to be used only for purposes of procreation, ((though the Church does now allow married couples to use natural family planning)) and anything that can not result in pregency is a sin.

Yep. Although I argue that (from a religious perspective) they're giving God pretty low expectations seeing how it is possible to get pregnant on birth control, just not likely. But if it's God then he could make it happen if it was indeed, his will.

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I think it's what happens when you're so concerned about the afterlife that the life isn't as big of a concern. Not that the Church wants people to die, but they would rather you die innocent than sin so gravely.

And it's the whole life begins at conception thing too. Because they can't figure out, or god forbid make up, the moment when the soul exists they save time and go back to sperm+egg. Technically preventing implantation is equivalent to abortion as the Church sees it.

The whole thing is a clusterfuck. So focused on black and white yes/nos that you can't promote condoms to prevent disease.

Wow. I say this ALL the time!

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I think it's what happens when you're so concerned about the afterlife that the life isn't as big of a concern. Not that the Church wants people to die, but they would rather you die innocent than sin so gravely.

And it's the whole life begins at conception thing too. Because they can't figure out, or god forbid make up, the moment when the soul exists they save time and go back to sperm+egg. Technically preventing implantation is equivalent to abortion as the Church sees it.

The whole thing is a clusterfuck. So focused on black and white yes/nos that you can't promote condoms to prevent disease.

And this is what I will never understand or agree with. How can you be so concerned with the afterlife and unborn fetuses that you are not concerned with the lives that are already here and will be greatly impacted. What about this woman's other children? Do they not deserve a mother because of one child that is not even in the world yet and will likely die anyway? Religion or not, this is ridiculous! Sometimes as human beings, we just have to use our common sense. No disrespect to the Catholics, but I am sooo not a fan of the Catholic Church. At the end of the day, we all know that much of their rules serve man, not God. Yeah, I said it!!!!

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

And this is what I will never understand or agree with. How can you be so concerned with the afterlife and unborn fetuses that you are not concerned with the lives that are already here and will be greatly impacted. What about this woman's other children? Do they not deserve a mother because of one child that is not even in the world yet and will likely die anyway? Religion or not, this is ridiculous! Sometimes as human beings, we just have to use our common sense. No disrespect to the Catholics, but I am sooo not a fan of the Catholic Church. At the end of the day, we all know that much of their rules serve man, not God. Yeah, I said it!!!!

The thinking would probably be along the lines of God will provide.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

The thinking would probably be along the lines of God will provide.

And I don't buy it, not for a minute. I don't believe that most people really believe in their religion because if they did, they wouldn't do the things they do and continue to do them over and over again. People have gotten good at following rules, not following God. How many people do you know that are actually trying to walk the walk? Exactly.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

And I don't buy it, not for a minute. I don't believe that most people really believe in their religion because if they did, they wouldn't do the things they do and continue to do them over and over again. People have gotten good at following rules, not following God. How many people do you know that are actually trying to walk the walk? Exactly.

But the people who DO believe are running the Church. Even their idiocy around the child sex abuse scandal can be explained through the religious beliefs (although certainly not excused.) So they make the rules.

I'm sure there are more Catholic women who have had abortions and don't say a word about them to their local priest and who continue to attend Mass. They're wrong according to the rules, but not wrong according to their beliefs.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

But the people who DO believe are running the Church. Even their idiocy around the child sex abuse scandal can be explained through the religious beliefs (although certainly not excused.) So they make the rules.

I'm sure there are more Catholic women who have had abortions and don't say a word about them to their local priest and who continue to attend Mass. They're wrong according to the rules, but not wrong according to their beliefs.

Many of them don't TRULY believe either. How can you believe and molest children? and not once or twice but repeatedly?

My point is that they may think they believe, but they don't really. What's funny is that if you truly believe that God knows you regardless of what you show others, then why don't you think God sees right through you in everything that you do? Your heart, your true intentions whether you ask for forgiveness or not? I'll tell you why... because many don't really believe what they preach; they just need to control the flock. That's how organized religion got started...a need to control the flock.