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Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.
You clearly missed a lot of my points here!
LOL at you saying that I think people should deprive themselves of relationships of any kind. (Where'd you get that from? Or was it that you assumed that because I made the distinction that I am one of those nuts (by nut i meant crazy illogical person) who thinks gay people dont choose to be gay, but that they can fight their gayness like the preacher who took his gay boy toy to europe [And im not even being sarcastic I actually really just want to know]) That is not my sense of morality. Far from it. I think that if you're gay you have every right to love, sex, Marry and do as you damn well please with who you'd like. And anyone who feels like you dont you should promptly tell to kiss your ass. I make the distinction between the two because I do not believe being gay is a choice but I do recognize that there are choices that exist for gay people that dont exist for others. Can you choose to hide your sexuality? Yes. Can you choose to ignore it? Yes. Does that make the fact that hiding who you are will make you better off in society right? Hell no. But it does give you an option that others dont have. My sense of morality is pretty basic treat people with humanity and love.
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I did not miss any of your points, you've only now made an attempt to clarify to where your points are actually understandable. In addition you continually used language that is discriminatory and predominately used by anti-gay groups. For example, there still is no "gay lifestyle" just as there is no "gay look." I'm glad you've been willing to listen during this conversation.
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I said Gay people have a choice OTHERS do not have. I did not say they have a choice that straight people dont. Gay and straight people have pretty much the same choices. I was making a distinction between other groups who are discriminated agains that dont have the ability to hide their ism. So, black/latino/ethnic people, women, etc. These oppressed groups do not have the option to hide or cover up who they are to get equal treatment. A gay white male can choose not to diclose to avoid discrimination at work whereas a black/latino person or a woman would not have that option.
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Now I understand what you were trying to say, although I hope you understand why it was so difficult to understand what you meant when you didn't actually provide detail. Yes, gay people can sometimes hide their orientation for a variety of reasons, however it isn't easy and as I said before it's not really fair to call it a choice when it isn't freely chosen. There are few people who would choose not to talk about their primary relationships, or avoid having relationships altogether if society wasn't pressuring them to. But their visibility isn't different from most religions, barring individuals or sects that promote a specifically identifiable type of dress. (Orthodox Jews for example)
And many pro LGBTQ organizations encourage people to come out to increase visibility of the population because being a more hidden minority tends to increase prejudice.
However, I don't do a lot of comparison between how hard it is for one group vs another because this isn't the Oppression Olympics.
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