New SCOTUS nominee

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

As well as, it does not matter what it means to you. Your lack of knowledge on this matter has been demonstrated freely throughout your posts, so stop relying on what things are "to you."
I did.

You get gay vibes from a picture? Why can't you even begin to say what you base this on? Also, you're the one who decided that you could/should play "guess the sexuality" in the first place. None of us compelled you to do so.
The whole guessing game was started by conservatives, right wingers, and some people before me in this thread.
You do not understand that playing guess the sexuality of a public figure is something typically done to degrade someone. When you participate in typically discriminatory behavior, you will be viewed as discriminatory EVEN IF your intentions are innocent.
I get why some people do it and that some people will find the game offensive.

Then use those terms among friends where you know they know what you mean.
I do.

Obviously Kagan hasn't changed who she is either, that's not the point. The point is the implied criticism of race/religion/orientation in the statement.


But she looks nothing like Kagan! How ever could you tell! She looks gay because she is.NO! She doesnt look gay at all. I was being sarcastic. He looks gay because he is. Adam Lambert looks gay because he is (he is? I knew he was channeling way too much Lady Gaga to be straight (and I knew that from watching one performance. Ironically he was thrusting his crotch into the faces of women during that show)). Unless you've been hooking up with Elena Kagan, or she has come out to you, she doesn't look gay. Do you get the concept? There IS NO "looking gay." Your definition so far has been looking masculine as a woman or feminine as a man. And that's outright bullshit. Portia looks masculine? Sir Ian McKellen looks feminine?

We're not talking about hanging out with friends and getting the impression that someone might be gay. I'll give you "vibes" with people you know. I call bullshit on you being able to tell by Kagan's "mannerisms" that she likes women.
That's fine.

How exactly is celibacy/chastity/choosing to "ignore" your sexuality a choice that only gay people have? Anyone can not be in a relationship if they so desire. Anyone can pretend not to have romantic or sexual feelings.

In fact, far more often gay people are still forced, pressured, or expected to hide those feelings or be ostracized, fired, excommunicated, etc. That's not much of a choice.

If you expect people to "fight their gayness" and yet not expect people to "fight their straightness" then you're discriminating. I assume that because you make some false distinction that gay people have a choice that straight people do not that yes, you expect them to make that choice for some moral/ethical/religious/other reason.

You clearly missed a lot of my points here!
LOL at you saying that I think people should deprive themselves of relationships of any kind. (Where'd you get that from? Or was it that you assumed that because I made the distinction that I am one of those nuts (by nut i meant crazy illogical person) who thinks gay people dont choose to be gay, but that they can fight their gayness like the preacher who took his gay boy toy to europe [And im not even being sarcastic I actually really just want to know]) That is not my sense of morality. Far from it. I think that if you're gay you have every right to love, sex, Marry and do as you damn well please with who you'd like. And anyone who feels like you dont you should promptly tell to kiss your ass. I make the distinction between the two because I do not believe being gay is a choice but I do recognize that there are choices that exist for gay people that dont exist for others. Can you choose to hide your sexuality? Yes. Can you choose to ignore it? Yes. Does that make the fact that hiding who you are will make you better off in society right? Hell no. But it does give you an option that others dont have. My sense of morality is pretty basic treat people with humanity and love.

I assume that because you make some false distinction that gay people have a choice that straight people do not that yes,

I said Gay people have a choice OTHERS do not have. I did not say they have a choice that straight people dont. Gay and straight people have pretty much the same choices. I was making a distinction between other groups who are discriminated agains that dont have the ability to hide their ism. So, black/latino/ethnic people, women, etc. These oppressed groups do not have the option to hide or cover up who they are to get equal treatment. A gay white male can choose not to diclose to avoid discrimination at work whereas a black/latino person or a woman would not have that option.