Arizona governor signs immigration bill

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by starang21

because these issues hasn't been addressed in previous laws and being in a country without papers is just now becoming illegal.

This is true (and why the term "undocumented immigrant" is used by the courts - technically, there's no criminal act involved in entering the country without proper credentials in the sense most people would think of it), but I'm not sure exactly where you're going with it - making it 'illegal' in a criminal sense will be a total f-ing disaster from a time/money standpoint.

Right now, part of why the Federal system is broken because it relies on employers as enforcement, for a large part. This does not work, because employers a.) aren't good at this and b.) have absolutely no incentive to enforce the law.

So why would we expect further codification to make it work all of the sudden? And if it does work, aren't the results (in terms of money spent and reassignment of law enforcement efforts) at best a wash and at worst a disaster?

[starang21]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

This is true (and why the term "undocumented immigrant" is used by the courts - technically, there's no criminal act involved in entering the country without proper credentials in the sense most people would think of it), but I'm not sure exactly where you're going with it - making it 'illegal' in a criminal sense will be a total f-ing disaster from a time/money standpoint.

Right now, part of why the Federal system is broken because it relies on employers as enforcement, for a large part. This does not work, because employers a.) aren't good at this and b.) have absolutely no incentive to enforce the law.

So why would we expect further codification to make it work all of the sudden? And if it does work, aren't the results (in terms of money spent and reassignment of law enforcement efforts) at best a wash and at worst a disaster?

so you're telling me it's not a crime to violate the immigration and naturalization act? what's the definition of crime?

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by starang21

so you're telling me it's not a crime to violate the immigration and naturalization act? what's the definition of crime?

He's being overly technical by saying That immigration violations are not a "criminal" act. It's also not a criminal act to drive dirty either, but what happens when you get busted?

Call it what you want but if you get caught being here illegally you get arrested, are to appear before a judge, and in some places sent to jail For a few weeks before being deported.