Pregnancy and Pledging...

LatinaAlumna · #1 03-31-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thetaphi04

To those first who think that this 'marching' is not considered hazing... try using your real brains. Or maybe it's because you were hazed or did some hazing as well. This doesn't need to happen.

Why do people need to 'march' in a straight line all over campus!?... I know one thing I joined Theta Phi Alpha, because I was assured by all members there was no hazing involved whatsoever. Even as a Pledge Sister or newly initiated member there was not an ounce of hazing.

If these men/women are supposed to be your potential brothers/sisters why do you even WANT to force them to do anything. I'm not saying your telling them they do it or die, but you are in fact forcing them to participate in this said 'marching'.

Whether local or NPC I find it rather disgusting to see that this still exists. In a country where everyone is supposed to be equal, you are just continuting the bad reputation of Greek Life. I don't want my fellow sister to walk in a straight line behind me... I want them to walk next to me, to be a sister with me. Afterall no matter the position each person is responsible for making the Chapter/Colony what it is. If you have a single person who doesn't assist in some way then in the end your organization will not survive.

I'm particularly saddened to hear that you think that this 'marching' isn't considered 'real hazing'; and as you mentioned like paddling or sexual. I know one thing I don't care if it was the president of the U.S. that wanted me to join, if someone EVER forced me to do something like that I would tell them where to put their organization.

I'd be willing to bet if you allowed all members pledges, collegians, and alums to participate equally you would have a much better reputation. You would also encourage proper behavior for the 'real world'.

I hope you do keep these comments to yourself, I don't even WANT to know what school you go to. It makes me want to vomit just to see you all continue this type of behvior in today's day and age.

Wow, that's a heck of a first post.

I think *you* need to use your "real brains" for a second and consider that the way your sorority does things is not the be-all, end-all for everyone else.

knight_shadow · #2 03-31-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LatinaAlumna

I think *you* need to use your "real brains" for a second and consider that the way your sorority does things is not the be-all, end-all for everyone else.

fantASTic · #3 03-31-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LatinaAlumna

Wow, that's a heck of a first post.

I think *you* need to use your "real brains" for a second and consider that the way your sorority does things is not the be-all, end-all for everyone else.

I think this is less of a "Whose Lane Are You In Anyways?" game and more of a divide on the moral idea of what is and what is not hazing. My sorority doesn't march. I think it's hazing. The two ideas might be correlated; they might not. They might be RELATED; they might not be. But it's a little presumptuous to go ahead and say that just because she's an NPC member that she can't have an opinion on whether something is morally wrong.

Senusret I · #4 03-31-2010, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fantASTic

I think this is less of a "Whose Lane Are You In Anyways?" game and more of a divide on the moral idea of what is and what is not hazing. My sorority doesn't march. I think it's hazing. The two ideas might be correlated; they might not. They might be RELATED; they might not be. But it's a little presumptuous to go ahead and say that just because she's an NPC member that she can't have an opinion on whether something is morally wrong.

It's not about what lane she's in, it's about her ignorance on what is and is not hazing to organizations outside her own council.

This is not much different from non-NPC organizations thinking it's LAME that most NPC "new members" wear letters before initiation. Thinking it's LAME doesn't make it morally wrong. Just lame to you.

fantASTic · #5 03-31-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

It's not about what lane she's in, it's about her ignorance on what is and is not hazing to organizations outside her own council.

This is not much different from non-NPC organizations thinking it's LAME that most NPC "new members" wear letters before initiation. Thinking it's LAME doesn't make it morally wrong. Just lame to you.

It is different, because you can think it's lame but you don't think it's MORALLY WRONG. And I will clarify; the distinction between being morally wrong and thinking something is morally wrong depends simply on what you think. Morally wrong is different for everyone.

Wearing letters before initiation couldn't be considered hazing at all. Surely you can see how someone might see forced marching as hazing, whether or not you think so?

Senusret I · #6 03-31-2010, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fantASTic

It is different, because you can think it's lame but you don't think it's MORALLY WRONG. And I will clarify; the distinction between being morally wrong and thinking something is morally wrong depends simply on what you think. Morally wrong is different for everyone.

Wearing letters before initiation couldn't be considered hazing at all. Surely you can see how someone might see forced marching as hazing, whether or not you think so?

I think that allowing your new members to wear letters is morally wrong and detrimental to the entire Greek community because you're giving shit away.

See how it doesn't have to be hazing for it to be morally wrong? Wait, is it morally wrong or is it just something you think is lame?

Is this hazing to you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhEyQAzffdA

knight_shadow · #7 03-31-2010, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

Is this hazing to you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhEyQAzffdA

OMG, I wouldn't stand for that.

Senusret I · #8 03-31-2010, 07:35 PM

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OMG, I wouldn't stand for that.

And in broad daylight!!! The nerve!

The dude in the hat is a hottie though.

Prettyface08 · #9 04-01-2010, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow

OMG, I wouldn't stand for that.

Don't worry, I'm reporting them RIGHT now.

Ch2tf · #10 04-01-2010, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

I think that allowing your new members to wear letters is morally wrong and detrimental to the entire Greek community because you're giving shit away.

MysticCat · #11 04-01-2010, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by thetaphi04

To those first who think that this 'marching' is not considered hazing... try using your real brains.

I do use my real brains. My real brains help me read and comprehend actual relevant state laws, GLO policies and academic institution policies on what does and does not constitute hazing.

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Originally Posted by fantASTic

Wearing letters before initiation couldn't be considered hazing at all.

He was referring to the fact that many times posters here have made it abundently clear that not allowing people to wear letters before initiation IS WITHOUT A DOUBT hazing. Meanwhile, many of our orgs prohibit wearing letters before initiation.

LatinaAlumna · #12 03-31-2010, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fantASTic

I think this is less of a "Whose Lane Are You In Anyways?" game and more of a divide on the moral idea of what is and what is not hazing. My sorority doesn't march. I think it's hazing. The two ideas might be correlated; they might not. They might be RELATED; they might not be. But it's a little presumptuous to go ahead and say that just because she's an NPC member that she can't have an opinion on whether something is morally wrong.

Reading is Fundamental. I said nothing about NPC or her right to have an opinion. So tell me again, who is presumptuous?

knight_shadow · #13 03-31-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

It's not about what lane she's in, it's about her ignorance on what is and is not hazing to organizations outside her own council.

This is not much different from non-NPC organizations thinking it's LAME that most NPC "new members" wear letters before initiation. Thinking it's LAME doesn't make it morally wrong. Just lame to you.

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Reading is Fundamental. I said nothing about NPC or her right to have an opinion. So tell me again, who is presumptuous?

Y'all are both making me happy today.

(minus Sen's Yella Bone comment...)

Senusret I · #14 03-31-2010, 07:32 PM

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Y'all are both making me happy today.

(minus Sen's Yella Bone comment...)

Talkin bout good and bad hair.

fantASTic · #15 03-31-2010, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LatinaAlumna

Reading is Fundamental. I said nothing about NPC or her right to have an opinion. So tell me again, who is presumptuous?

Okay. So you saying "how YOUR SORORITY does things is not how others do things" had nothing to do with "You are in an NPC and it is not how other GLOs that are not NPCs do things"? Bull****. Don't backtrack now.