Pregnancy and Pledging...

Senusret I · #1 03-07-2010, 12:39 PM

You don't know that it's hazing. It might be against the rules of your own organization, but if it doesn't violate any laws and the college approves of it, it's really not your place to call it hazing.

33girl · #2 03-07-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

You don't know that it's hazing. It might be against the rules of your own organization, but if it doesn't violate any laws and the college approves of it, it's really not your place to call it hazing.

QFT

Barbie's_Rush · #3 03-07-2010, 01:41 PM

It doesn't matter who or what entity "approved" an acticity. Hazing is defined by the laws of a state.
Nebraska Hazing Law

28-311.06. Hazing, defined; penalty

(1) For purposes of this section and section 28-311.07:

(a) Hazing shall mean any activity by which a person intentionally or recklessly endangers the physical or mental health or safety of an individual for the purpose of initiation into, admission into, affiliation with, or continued membership with any organization as defined in subdivision (1)(b) of this section. Such hazing activity shall include whipping, beating, branding, forced and prolonged calisthenics, prolonged exposure to the elements, forced consumption of any food, liquor, beverage, drug, or harmful substance not generally intended for human consumption, prolonged sleep deprivation, or any brutal treatment or the performance of any unlawful act which endangers the physical or mental health or safety of any person; and

(b) Organization shall mean an organization of student members operating under the sanction of a postsecondary educational institution but shall not include the alumni organization or any corporation which owns the house or real estate of such organization.

(2) It shall be unlawful to commit the offense of hazing. Any person who commits the offense of hazing shall be guilty of a Class II misdemeanor.

(3) Any organization as defined in subdivision (1)(b) of this section whose members commit the offense of hazing in violation of the provisions of this section shall be punished by a fine of not more than ten thousand dollars.

MysticCat · #4 03-10-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Barbie's_Rush

It doesn't matter who or what entity "approved" an acticity. Hazing is defined by the laws of a state.

Exactly, and the laws of various states are different. Where I live, for example, simply making pledges march would not meet the legal definition of hazing. Since we don't know where the OP is, we have no way of knowing whether marching constitutes hazing under the laws of her state. (We can hope, though, that her college administrators know the law of their state and wouldn't approve anything that constitutes hazing under their state's law.)

thetaphi04 · #5 03-31-2010, 02:54 PM

To those first who think that this 'marching' is not considered hazing... try using your real brains. Or maybe it's because you were hazed or did some hazing as well. This doesn't need to happen.

Why do people need to 'march' in a straight line all over campus!?... I know one thing I joined Theta Phi Alpha, because I was assured by all members there was no hazing involved whatsoever. Even as a Pledge Sister or newly initiated member there was not an ounce of hazing.

If these men/women are supposed to be your potential brothers/sisters why do you even WANT to force them to do anything. I'm not saying your telling them they do it or die, but you are in fact forcing them to participate in this said 'marching'.

Whether local or NPC I find it rather disgusting to see that this still exists. In a country where everyone is supposed to be equal, you are just continuting the bad reputation of Greek Life. I don't want my fellow sister to walk in a straight line behind me... I want them to walk next to me, to be a sister with me. Afterall no matter the position each person is responsible for making the Chapter/Colony what it is. If you have a single person who doesn't assist in some way then in the end your organization will not survive.

I'm particularly saddened to hear that you think that this 'marching' isn't considered 'real hazing'; and as you mentioned like paddling or sexual. I know one thing I don't care if it was the president of the U.S. that wanted me to join, if someone EVER forced me to do something like that I would tell them where to put their organization.

I'd be willing to bet if you allowed all members pledges, collegians, and alums to participate equally you would have a much better reputation. You would also encourage proper behavior for the 'real world'.

I hope you do keep these comments to yourself, I don't even WANT to know what school you go to. It makes me want to vomit just to see you all continue this type of behvior in today's day and age.

ree-Xi · #6 03-31-2010, 03:41 PM

No worries, this OP performed the classic newbie mistake of using the same user name in more than one place.

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Originally Posted by thetaphi04

To those first who think that this 'marching' is not considered hazing... try using your real brains. Or maybe it's because you were hazed or did some hazing as well. This doesn't need to happen.

Why do people need to 'march' in a straight line all over campus!?... I know one thing I joined Theta Phi Alpha, because I was assured by all members there was no hazing involved whatsoever. Even as a Pledge Sister or newly initiated member there was not an ounce of hazing.

If these men/women are supposed to be your potential brothers/sisters why do you even WANT to force them to do anything. I'm not saying your telling them they do it or die, but you are in fact forcing them to participate in this said 'marching'.

Whether local or NPC I find it rather disgusting to see that this still exists. In a country where everyone is supposed to be equal, you are just continuting the bad reputation of Greek Life. I don't want my fellow sister to walk in a straight line behind me... I want them to walk next to me, to be a sister with me. Afterall no matter the position each person is responsible for making the Chapter/Colony what it is. If you have a single person who doesn't assist in some way then in the end your organization will not survive.

I'm particularly saddened to hear that you think that this 'marching' isn't considered 'real hazing'; and as you mentioned like paddling or sexual. I know one thing I don't care if it was the president of the U.S. that wanted me to join, if someone EVER forced me to do something like that I would tell them where to put their organization.

I'd be willing to bet if you allowed all members pledges, collegians, and alums to participate equally you would have a much better reputation. You would also encourage proper behavior for the 'real world'.

I hope you do keep these comments to yourself, I don't even WANT to know what school you go to. It makes me want to vomit just to see you all continue this type of behvior in today's day and age.

Senusret I · #7 03-31-2010, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ree-Xi

No worries, this OP performed the classic newbie mistake of using the same user name in more than one place.

Yeah, you're sketchy.

knight_shadow · #8 03-31-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by thetaphi04

To those first who think that this 'marching' is not considered hazing... try using your real brains. Or maybe it's because you were hazed or did some hazing as well. This doesn't need to happen.

Why do people need to 'march' in a straight line all over campus!?... I know one thing I joined Theta Phi Alpha, because I was assured by all members there was no hazing involved whatsoever. Even as a Pledge Sister or newly initiated member there was not an ounce of hazing.

If these men/women are supposed to be your potential brothers/sisters why do you even WANT to force them to do anything. I'm not saying your telling them they do it or die, but you are in fact forcing them to participate in this said 'marching'.

Whether local or NPC I find it rather disgusting to see that this still exists. In a country where everyone is supposed to be equal, you are just continuting the bad reputation of Greek Life. I don't want my fellow sister to walk in a straight line behind me... I want them to walk next to me, to be a sister with me. Afterall no matter the position each person is responsible for making the Chapter/Colony what it is. If you have a single person who doesn't assist in some way then in the end your organization will not survive.

I'm particularly saddened to hear that you think that this 'marching' isn't considered 'real hazing'; and as you mentioned like paddling or sexual. I know one thing I don't care if it was the president of the U.S. that wanted me to join, if someone EVER forced me to do something like that I would tell them where to put their organization.

I'd be willing to bet if you allowed all members pledges, collegians, and alums to participate equally you would have a much better reputation. You would also encourage proper behavior for the 'real world'.

I hope you do keep these comments to yourself, I don't even WANT to know what school you go to. It makes me want to vomit just to see you all continue this type of behvior in today's day and age.

I'm still curious to know what the marching was used for.

If the administration approved it, then maybe it isn't as bad as we all thought.

LatinaAlumna · #9 03-31-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thetaphi04

To those first who think that this 'marching' is not considered hazing... try using your real brains. Or maybe it's because you were hazed or did some hazing as well. This doesn't need to happen.

Why do people need to 'march' in a straight line all over campus!?... I know one thing I joined Theta Phi Alpha, because I was assured by all members there was no hazing involved whatsoever. Even as a Pledge Sister or newly initiated member there was not an ounce of hazing.

If these men/women are supposed to be your potential brothers/sisters why do you even WANT to force them to do anything. I'm not saying your telling them they do it or die, but you are in fact forcing them to participate in this said 'marching'.

Whether local or NPC I find it rather disgusting to see that this still exists. In a country where everyone is supposed to be equal, you are just continuting the bad reputation of Greek Life. I don't want my fellow sister to walk in a straight line behind me... I want them to walk next to me, to be a sister with me. Afterall no matter the position each person is responsible for making the Chapter/Colony what it is. If you have a single person who doesn't assist in some way then in the end your organization will not survive.

I'm particularly saddened to hear that you think that this 'marching' isn't considered 'real hazing'; and as you mentioned like paddling or sexual. I know one thing I don't care if it was the president of the U.S. that wanted me to join, if someone EVER forced me to do something like that I would tell them where to put their organization.

I'd be willing to bet if you allowed all members pledges, collegians, and alums to participate equally you would have a much better reputation. You would also encourage proper behavior for the 'real world'.

I hope you do keep these comments to yourself, I don't even WANT to know what school you go to. It makes me want to vomit just to see you all continue this type of behvior in today's day and age.

Wow, that's a heck of a first post.

I think *you* need to use your "real brains" for a second and consider that the way your sorority does things is not the be-all, end-all for everyone else.

knight_shadow · #10 03-31-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LatinaAlumna

I think *you* need to use your "real brains" for a second and consider that the way your sorority does things is not the be-all, end-all for everyone else.

fantASTic · #11 03-31-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LatinaAlumna

Wow, that's a heck of a first post.

I think *you* need to use your "real brains" for a second and consider that the way your sorority does things is not the be-all, end-all for everyone else.

I think this is less of a "Whose Lane Are You In Anyways?" game and more of a divide on the moral idea of what is and what is not hazing. My sorority doesn't march. I think it's hazing. The two ideas might be correlated; they might not. They might be RELATED; they might not be. But it's a little presumptuous to go ahead and say that just because she's an NPC member that she can't have an opinion on whether something is morally wrong.

33girl · #12 03-31-2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LatinaAlumna

Wow, that's a heck of a first post.

I think *you* need to use your "real brains" for a second and consider that the way your sorority does things is not the be-all, end-all for everyone else.

Freakin' amen. I love the "reputation" comment more than anything. I mean, heaven forbid this local sorority should be open-minded and give bids to all sorts of people. The OP seemed quite proud of that...the only one having a problem with it is the longwinded noob.

Re that youtube, are those raincoats or dresses? I couldn't tell.