9 Charged after girl kills herself over bullying

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This is a "contagion effect."

All of these kids don't have diagnosable and documentable mental and emotional disorders that contribute to their suicide response. Many of them have observed that suicide is a "quick fix" and (as is the case in many suicides, particularly for certain age groups and for females more than males) some of them may've been crying out and attempting suicide but no one found them and saved them before they killed themselves.

These are children, so I expect for them to be extremely short sighted, of little faith, and selfish (or even perceivably cowardly) in most endeavors. Therefore, when buffers are weakened or absent in their lives, it "makes sense" that more kids are choosing suicide when they feel there are no other quick fixes. Family only matters but so much for kids--kids get to an age where it seems as though they'd rather be liked by their peers than anything else. It is sad because fast forward a few years and they could've said what a lot of people say, which is "I remember when I was 10 and I was bullied--I was tormented. I was soooo depressed...thank God I got over that hurdle and didn't harm myself or others."

Suicide increases with age and is highest for those over the age of 50, so it's really interesting when suicide rates increase in the younger age groups. There are a number of explanations for this.

This does not at all mean that they did not have such disorders and if you do the research, you will see that such disorders in children and adults have greatly increased over the years due to many factors. We are not only a physically sick society but we are also more and more becoming a mental and emotionally sick society and we are doing it to ourselves in many many ways.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

...if you do the research....

I conduct quantitative and qualitative research in suicide and self-harming behaviors. I also attend symposiums where people from different fields and approaches to the study and treatment of suicide debate and share their take on suicide.

What now?

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I conduct quantitative and qualitative research in suicide and self-harming behaviors. I also attend symposiums where people from different fields and approaches to the study and treatment of suicide debate and share their take on suicide.

What now?

Not talking about suicide as a stand alone but rather more about psychological disorders in children. They are on the rise, and for adults also. Our physical well being can be directly linked to our mental and emotional well being. We are creating our own problems, all of us as a society, through everything from environmental issues to nutrition to modern medicine. So since we are all part of the problem or at least contributors, we need not throw away folks or be insensitive to these issues; could be our loved ones next. And I'm just speaking generally. We are so quick to be insensitive to other human beings or shell out blame when the issues don't personally impact us.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

Not talking about suicide as a stand alone...

Suicide is never a stand alone. Isn't that what you're saying, afterall? Therefore, researching and discussing suicide would include discussions and evaluations of some social, mental, and emotional correlates.

This doesn't mean that everyone agrees that all suicides are a result of mental and emotional disorders. I obviously do not.

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

So since we are all part of the problem or at least contributors, we need not throw away folks or be insensitive to these issues; could be our loved ones next. And I'm just speaking generally. We are so quick to be insensitive to other human beings or shell out blame when the issues don't personally impact us.

Surely you didn't get this from my post. If you did, it is because of your assumptions of my tone and meaning.

Never make assumptions because you don't know whether the person you disagree with has already been personally impacted. But, at the same time, you don't have to be personally impacted by everything to know about it.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Suicide is never a stand alone. Isn't that what you're saying, afterall? Therefore, researching and discussing suicide would include discussions and evaluations of some social, mental, and emotional correlates.

This doesn't mean that everyone agrees that all suicides are a result of mental and emotional disorders. I obviously do not.



Surely you didn't get this from my post. If you did, it is because of your assumptions of my tone and meaning.

Never make assumptions because you don't know whether the person you disagree with has already been personally impacted. But, at the same time, you don't have to be personally impacted by everything to know about it.

I am careful not to conclude "all" regarding anything since you can never be too sure and no, I didn't get that from your post. Just speaking generally and actually had another post in mind.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I am careful not to conclude "all" regarding anything since you can never be too sure and no, I didn't get that from your post. Just speaking generally and actually had another post in mind.

Be careful not to speak generally and have another post in mind when you're responding to my post.

I was responding to the assertion that ALL people who consider, attempt, and commit suicide are doing so because of mental and/or emotional disorders because suicide is a disease.