9 Charged after girl kills herself over bullying

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I have mixed feelings about this. It is getting really old to see stories like this. It would be better if school systems would take the initiative to do more about the bullying before it gets to this point. I fail to understand why it is okay to do something about it AFTER the fact, but no one feels it is serious enough to handle it at the time. smh

But I will say that as sad as this situation is, SHE chose to kill herself. I don't understand that thought process. Skip school. Don't go kill yourself because of bullies at school. We need more kids to just "man up." All this teenage fragility and angst is getting to be really old.

Until you're in someone's shoes who has gone through this, you will never understand. That's not putting YOU down personally, just saying that those who do not understand suicide are usually those who've never been in those situations. Sometimes the bullying is so bad that you feel there's really nothing else you can do. Committing suicide is like getting revenge on the girls. Unfortunately in this case, the girls have no remorse.

Suicide, mutilation, etc., is a disease, not a choice.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Until you're in someone's shoes who has gone through this, you will never understand. That's not putting YOU down personally, just saying that those who do not understand suicide are usually those who've never been in those situations. Sometimes the bullying is so bad that you feel there's really nothing else you can do. Committing suicide is like getting revenge on the girls. Unfortunately in this case, the girls have no remorse.

Suicide, mutilation, etc., is a disease, not a choice.

Many people who study suicide and life threatening behaviors do not see suicide and other self-harming behaviors themselves as the diseases.

The causes and correlates are the potential diseases and disorders. However, not everyone who attempts or commits suicide had what every professional would consider a disease outside of the after-the-fact assumption that anyone who commits suicide had a disease.

So, essentially, you're positing the opposite of what deepimpact said. She says it doesn't make sense/is damn near ridiculous and you say it's absolutely a disease. I posit there's a middle ground that combines personal choice (there is decision making in perceiving suicide as the only way out; and as revenge against the bullies) with social and mental/emotional correlates, but precludes reducing every form of deviant behavior to a "disease."