House passes health care bill on 219-212 vote

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by Kappamd

I don't think she said they were. And I'm not going to pretend I know what Vandalsquirrel's views on makeup are, lol.

Bottom line: tanning beds are stupid and I wholeheartedly agree with the tanning tax. If you are going to knowingly engage in behavior that has been shown to increase your risk of disease, and thus burdening our healthcare system, you SHOULD have to pay more.

Yep agree on the dangerous tans. Huge fan of the safe ones.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

Whoa there, chill out. Jesus Christ Super Star it's only a spray tan. It's cheaper than hair dye and much less permanent. Do you not like yourself if you wear make up?

PS-I've yet to stain any of my clothes/towels/bathrobes. $10 for a can that lasts a month and is just sprayed on after you shower. It even smells nice.

I don't change my whole skin tone with makeup. Anyone who wears face makeup should be matching their skin tone, or well, they'd be a clown. My point, which you completely missed, is that you are changing your skin color, and I quote you, to have a "healthy glow." The point Kappamd I think is agreeing with me on, is that we, the unsprayed, are quite healthy just the way we are. If you don't see the difference between foundation that matches one natural skin tone, and spraying your whole body with a completely different color, I can't help you.

Originally Posted by Kappamd

I think she's just making the point that the lengths some people go to just for a tan are slightly ridiculous. And they are.

EVERYONE in this thread needs to chill out.

It isn't "tan" alone, it is making changes in the name of health, when the fumes probably aren't that great either, I wouldn't know because I find happy with my skin tone and color, because it is exactly how it is meant to be. I have scars and pigment issues I don't cover up, and I just think the implications of saying "I need some color" or "I have a healthy glow" have social and health ramifications people don't think about. Healthy glow to me isn't a sun or spray tan, but another activity entirely...

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

Tanning beds are since they cause cancer. I'm confused as to how a spray tan is different from make up or hair prodcuts.

The roll eyes nice, and for your information I wear "makeup" that has sunscreen in it, as well as hair products with sun protectant. I just don't understand why people can't like who they are and see "natural" as healthy, across the whole spectrum. So many women change their hair with risk and exposure to chemicals, their skin with all types of sun exposure and chemicals, and it really boggles my mind. If I was meant to be a different shade of hair or skin color/tone, or eye color, I would have been born that way.

Originally Posted by Kappamd

I don't think she said they were. And I'm not going to pretend I know what Vandalsquirrel's views on makeup are, lol.

Bottom line: tanning beds are stupid and I wholeheartedly agree with the tanning tax. If you are going to knowingly engage in behavior that has been shown to increase your risk of disease, and thus burdening our healthcare system, you SHOULD have to pay more.

I wear it for sun protection, it just stays on my face better than sunscreen when topped with UV protectant powder. I do outside work in the field all summer and I've actually worn makeup because it stays on better with the wind, sweat and rain. It seemed crazy but it worked and that's when I wear the most, when I can't shower and rely on face wipes.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

I don't change my whole skin tone with makeup. Anyone who wears face makeup should be matching their skin tone, or well, they'd be a clown. My point, which you completely missed, is that you are changing your skin color, and I quote you, to have a "healthy glow." The point Kappamd I think is agreeing with me on, is that we, the unsprayed, are quite healthy just the way we are. If you don't see the difference between foundation that matches one natural skin tone, and spraying your whole body with a completely different color, I can't help you.



It isn't "tan" alone, it is making changes in the name of health, when the fumes probably aren't that great either, I wouldn't know because I find happy with my skin tone and color, because it is exactly how it is meant to be. I have scars and pigment issues I don't cover up, and I just think the implications of saying "I need some color" or "I have a healthy glow" have social and health ramifications people don't think about. Healthy glow to me isn't a sun or spray tan, but another activity entirely...



The roll eyes nice, and for your information I wear "makeup" that has sunscreen in it, as well as hair products with sun protectant. I just don't understand why people can't like who they are and see "natural" as healthy, across the whole spectrum. So many women change their hair with risk and exposure to chemicals, their skin with all types of sun exposure and chemicals, and it really boggles my mind. If I was meant to be a different shade of hair or skin color/tone, or eye color, I would have been born that way.



I wear it for sun protection, it just stays on my face better than sunscreen when topped with UV protectant powder. I do outside work in the field all summer and I've actually worn makeup because it stays on better with the wind, sweat and rain. It seemed crazy but it worked and that's when I wear the most, when I can't shower and rely on face wipes.

I guess what I don't understand is such a harsh judgement of others just because they use spray tan when young women today face WAY more important issues that pressure them into, for instance, "real" tanning, anorexia, bulimia, extreme cosmetic surgeries, etc. Just food for thought, but for your information I have horrible scars all over my shins. It's a random skin condition and dermatologists have told me short of lasers and such it's just going to be there, but they aren't hurting anything and don't indicate any actual disease. They look like mild burn scars. Spray tan doesn't hide them in the least, and yes I frequently wear shorts and skirts. I can't imagine why the self righteous attitude towards women that enjoy making themselves look good in their own eyes in healthy ways is necessary. Taking pride in one's appearance is in no way a betrayal, and every individual has individual tastes. Your make up is in no way different from a can of spray mist from CVS, and your personal preferences to pay no attention to your appearance are certainly valid and comfortable to you, but are PERSONAL and not superior to the preferences of those who enjoy make up, hair products, spray mist, nail polish, etc. Making women (or men for that matter) feel bad about a little primping is ridiculous.

By the way, if a spray tan results in a "whole different skin color" then it isn't correctly done, and no spray mist you buy at the drugstore can do that. You won't find someone more adamantly against tanning beds than I, or someone more confused than I as to why is it such a heinous crime against woman hood to enjoy doing my nails, a spray mist, fun eyeshadows, and curling my hair when I have some free time. It's fun, makes me happy, and is a much healthier pursuit than many others I could participate in.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

By the way, if a spray tan results in a "whole different skin color" then it isn't correctly done

This is not directly towards you, but if I get a spray tan and I'm not a different color, I'd be PISSED. I'm white to begin with and if I'm the same 'color' after the spray tan, what's the point? The point is to get that bronze/brown color, not to look the same.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

I guess what I don't understand is such a harsh judgement of others just because they use spray tan when young women today face WAY more important issues that pressure them into, for instance, "real" tanning, anorexia, bulimia, extreme cosmetic surgeries, etc. Just food for thought, but for your information I have horrible scars all over my shins. It's a random skin condition and dermatologists have told me short of lasers and such it's just going to be there, but they aren't hurting anything and don't indicate any actual disease. They look like mild burn scars. Spray tan doesn't hide them in the least, and yes I frequently wear shorts and skirts. I can't imagine why the self righteous attitude towards women that enjoy making themselves look good in their own eyes in healthy ways is necessary. Taking pride in one's appearance is in no way a betrayal, and every individual has individual tastes. Your make up is in no way different from a can of spray mist from CVS, and your personal preferences to pay no attention to your appearance are certainly valid and comfortable to you, but are PERSONAL and not superior to the preferences of those who enjoy make up, hair products, spray mist, nail polish, etc. Making women (or men for that matter) feel bad about a little primping is ridiculous.

By the way, if a spray tan results in a "whole different skin color" then it isn't correctly done, and no spray mist you buy at the drugstore can do that. You won't find someone more adamantly against tanning beds than I, or someone more confused than I as to why is it such a heinous crime against woman hood to enjoy doing my nails, a spray mist, fun eyeshadows, and curling my hair when I have some free time. It's fun, makes me happy, and is a much healthier pursuit than many others I could participate in.

Maybe now you don't need to take things so personally. No one said anything harsh. You're reading your own bias into their comments. They just don't think you have to look golden to look healthy. Get over it...it's a difference of opinion not a judgement of your worth as a person.

[honeychile]

I have been to tanning beds twice in my life. Why? To go from pasty white to off white. What did I pay for it? Skin cancer. Needless to say, I'm totally against tanning beds.

That said, I'm against the tax on them. It's easy to tax something that doesn't directly affect you, but then there's a tax on something else, then something else, until finally, you're taxed outrageously for something.

Let's not get our kicks on yet another new tax, people.



[Okay, my inner Libertarian came out to play - doesn't mean I don't believe it!]

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

I guess what I don't understand is such a harsh judgement of others just because they use spray tan when young women today face WAY more important issues that pressure them into, for instance, "real" tanning, anorexia, bulimia, extreme cosmetic surgeries, etc. Just food for thought, but for your information I have horrible scars all over my shins. It's a random skin condition and dermatologists have told me short of lasers and such it's just going to be there, but they aren't hurting anything and don't indicate any actual disease. They look like mild burn scars. Spray tan doesn't hide them in the least, and yes I frequently wear shorts and skirts. I can't imagine why the self righteous attitude towards women that enjoy making themselves look good in their own eyes in healthy ways is necessary. Taking pride in one's appearance is in no way a betrayal, and every individual has individual tastes. Your make up is in no way different from a can of spray mist from CVS, and your personal preferences to pay no attention to your appearance are certainly valid and comfortable to you, but are PERSONAL and not superior to the preferences of those who enjoy make up, hair products, spray mist, nail polish, etc. Making women (or men for that matter) feel bad about a little primping is ridiculous.

By the way, if a spray tan results in a "whole different skin color" then it isn't correctly done, and no spray mist you buy at the drugstore can do that. You won't find someone more adamantly against tanning beds than I, or someone more confused than I as to why is it such a heinous crime against woman hood to enjoy doing my nails, a spray mist, fun eyeshadows, and curling my hair when I have some free time. It's fun, makes me happy, and is a much healthier pursuit than many others I could participate in.

You can seriously make NO connection to outward personal appearance and the issues you mentioned, not one? If you're feeling bad as a result of my post, maybe you need to figure out how some anonymous person on line can do that if you take so much pride in all of these things to make yourself look and feel good. Have you never seen an orange person outside of a Willy Wonka movie?

You are still completely missing the point, and I'm glad other people are getting it because I thought I wasn't making myself clear. And no, a spray can tan is not the same as UV protection, sorry.

Healthy glow, your words, not mine.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Have you never seen an orange person outside of a Willy Wonka movie?

Don't be hatin' on their healthy glow.

[DrPhil]

Why do people do that to themselves? It looks like a spectacle...sometimes it almost looks like a mockery of something (other than their skin).

I'm against (intentional) tans whether they are sun or tanning salon. Sun tanning sometimes has the cute and healthy glow but it often doesn't, as far as I'm concerned. That's my personal bias.

Random:
I've probably told this story over the years, but I remember when crazy college co-eds really started crowding Jamaica and Cancun for Spring Break. I remember one white guy came back really tanned, with his hair cornrowed and with beads, and with a Bob Marley shirt on. Trendy middle-upper class vacationing, indeed. He told my light skinnedededed friend "hey, I'm Blacker than you are now." My friend said "yeah...holla at me when you can't get a job because of that shit."

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Why do people do that to themselves? It looks like a spectacle...sometimes it almost looks like a mockery of something (other than their skin).

I'm against (intentional) tans whether they are sun or tanning salon. Sun tanning sometimes has the cute and healthy glow but it often doesn't, as far as I'm concerned. That's my personal bias.

Random:
I've probably told this story over the years, but I remember when crazy college co-eds really started crowding Jamaica and Cancun for Spring Break. I remember one white guy came back really tanned, with his hair dred loc'd and with beads, and with a Bob Marley shirt on. Trendy middle-upper class vacationing, indeed. He told my light skinnedededed friend "hey, I'm Blacker than you are now." My friend said "yeah...holla at me when you can't get a job because of that shit."

Why did that make me think of this thread? http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=39813

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by epchick

This is not directly towards you, but if I get a spray tan and I'm not a different color, I'd be PISSED. I'm white to begin with and if I'm the same 'color' after the spray tan, what's the point? The point is to get that bronze/brown color, not to look the same.

The point is to look naturally different and everyone I know who tries to look 3 shades+ different ends up orange. I haven't seen a successful spray tan (that means natural looking) that did anything more than bronze someone's skin. The $10 stuff I use says "3 shades deeper". It's not. I look like I've spent the day outside, not like I've actually been tanned, but for $10 once a month/2 months that's ok with me. I doubt my friends would notice if I didn't use it, and none of them know I do unless I tell them. Three shades deeper would probably look orange. The Lindsay Lohan/Jersey Shore look isn't the right way to do it.

Originally Posted by honeychile

I have been to tanning beds twice in my life. Why? To go from pasty white to off white. What did I pay for it? Skin cancer. Needless to say, I'm totally against tanning beds.

That said, I'm against the tax on them. It's easy to tax something that doesn't directly affect you, but then there's a tax on something else, then something else, until finally, you're taxed outrageously for something.

Let's not get our kicks on yet another new tax, people.



[Okay, my inner Libertarian came out to play - doesn't mean I don't believe it!]

Cigarettes get that extra tax and I doubt it's going to keep people from starting, but it's definitely an extra incentive to quit. I picked up that habit too and it definitely made a huge difference in my finances once I quit. It causes cancer (as my doctor says "think of it as not if but when") and is bad for anyone who is around it, so I didn't mind it being taxed when I did smoke and I don't mind it now...so I guess I'm kind of throwing tanning into the same category. It seems like cosmetic issue to many people but it's just as dangerous as smoking, and personally I'm hoping this will help educate/remind people it isn't the same thing as using bronzer.

I've already had to have a couple of spots removed and go to my dermatologist twice a year to get checked on top of wearing sunscreen at all times and I'll be really lucky if I never get skin cancer. I'd much rather have a few scars than up my risk of developing skin cancer. I don't have an excuse for ever tanning because I was just being a stupid teenager, thinking "it won't happen to me", but because tanning doesn't have the stigma of smoking with the general public there's some element of danger removed, when it shouldn't be. It needs that stigma.

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

You can seriously make NO connection to outward personal appearance and the issues you mentioned, not one? If you're feeling bad as a result of my post, maybe you need to figure out how some anonymous person on line can do that if you take so much pride in all of these things to make yourself look and feel good. Have you never seen an orange person outside of a Willy Wonka movie?

You are still completely missing the point, and I'm glad other people are getting it because I thought I wasn't making myself clear. And no, a spray can tan is not the same as UV protection, sorry.

Healthy glow, your words, not mine.

Trust me, I don't feel bad about myself in the least, but I think your attitude is unfortunate because it's just irrational. I never once said a spray mist is UV protection. I wear a moisturizer with sunscreen every day and sunscreen on top of that when I'm going to be outside for a while. I recommend everyone do that even if they don't tan-I do have a family member that is young, didn't tan, was careful about sunscreen at all times because they burned easily, that still got skin cancer. But obviously tanning beds increase that chance. A lot. So, once again, I'm against that. But I can't understand why you judge women that use make up, spray mist or hair products. Is nail polish the devil, too?

There are much bigger problems like pressure to be unnaturally thin, pressure to get cosmetic surgery, pressure to go sit in a cancer box, etc. Railing against people who use safe and healthy ways to feel well groomed and cute is ridiculous. I wish young women would be encouraged to play with make up, a Neutrogena spray tan, correctly fitting clothing, and some styling products to help them understand there's absolutely no need for radical and invasive cosmetic procedures, tanning beds, unhealthy eating habits, and damaging chemical straightening or perming. There's nothing wrong with using none of those things either (except the healthy eating habits, obviously), but there's nothing wrong with USING safe and fun alternatives, either, and what I can't understand at all is your judgment of people who wear make up, nail polish, style their hair, or use a Neutrogena spray mist. Wearing make up doesn't indicate that a woman doesn't like herself, and throwing it into the same category as tanning doesn't help anyone feel better about themselves. So no, I do not see a connection between spray tan and horrible self esteem issues.

There is nothing at all un healthy about a healthy, sprayed on glow, face powder, or nail polish.

[Kappamd]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

Trust me, I don't feel bad about myself in the least, but I think your attitude is unfortunate because it's just irrational. I never once said a spray mist is UV protection. I wear a moisturizer with sunscreen every day and sunscreen on top of that when I'm going to be outside for a while. I recommend everyone do that even if they don't tan-I do have a family member that is young, didn't tan, was careful about sunscreen at all times because they burned easily, that still got skin cancer. But obviously tanning beds increase that chance. A lot. So, once again, I'm against that. But I can't understand why you judge women that use make up, spray mist or hair products. Is nail polish the devil, too?

There are much bigger problems like pressure to be unnaturally thin, pressure to get cosmetic surgery, pressure to go sit in a cancer box, etc. Railing against people who use safe and healthy ways to feel well groomed and cute is ridiculous. I wish young women would be encouraged to play with make up, a Neutrogena spray tan, correctly fitting clothing, and some styling products to help them understand there's absolutely no need for radical and invasive cosmetic procedures, tanning beds, unhealthy eating habits, and damaging chemical straightening or perming. There's nothing wrong with using none of those things either (except the healthy eating habits, obviously), but there's nothing wrong with USING safe and fun alternatives, either, and what I can't understand at all is your judgment of people who wear make up, nail polish, style their hair, or use a Neutrogena spray mist. Wearing make up doesn't indicate that a woman doesn't like herself, and throwing it into the same category as tanning doesn't help anyone feel better about themselves. So no, I do not see a connection between spray tan and horrible self esteem issues.

There is nothing at all un healthy about a healthy, sprayed on glow, face powder, or nail polish.

And nowhere did she say there was.

Methinks one is a bit defensive.


My god, what time does the crazy train LEAVE?

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by Kappamd

And nowhere did she say there was.

Methinks one is a bit defensive.


My god, what time does the crazy train LEAVE?

LOL!!! Dang it.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by Kappamd

And nowhere did she say there was.

Methinks one is a bit defensive.


My god, what time does the crazy train LEAVE?

That's her entire point, that it's bad.

When does the bitch leave the building?

[ThetaDancer]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

Trust me, I don't feel bad about myself in the least, but I think your attitude is unfortunate because it's just irrational. I never once said a spray mist is UV protection. I wear a moisturizer with sunscreen every day and sunscreen on top of that when I'm going to be outside for a while. I recommend everyone do that even if they don't tan-I do have a family member that is young, didn't tan, was careful about sunscreen at all times because they burned easily, that still got skin cancer. But obviously tanning beds increase that chance. A lot. So, once again, I'm against that. But I can't understand why you judge women that use make up, spray mist or hair products. Is nail polish the devil, too?

There are much bigger problems like pressure to be unnaturally thin, pressure to get cosmetic surgery, pressure to go sit in a cancer box, etc. Railing against people who use safe and healthy ways to feel well groomed and cute is ridiculous. I wish young women would be encouraged to play with make up, a Neutrogena spray tan, correctly fitting clothing, and some styling products to help them understand there's absolutely no need for radical and invasive cosmetic procedures, tanning beds, unhealthy eating habits, and damaging chemical straightening or perming. There's nothing wrong with using none of those things either (except the healthy eating habits, obviously), but there's nothing wrong with USING safe and fun alternatives, either, and what I can't understand at all is your judgment of people who wear make up, nail polish, style their hair, or use a Neutrogena spray mist. Wearing make up doesn't indicate that a woman doesn't like herself, and throwing it into the same category as tanning doesn't help anyone feel better about themselves. So no, I do not see a connection between spray tan and horrible self esteem issues.

There is nothing at all un healthy about a healthy, sprayed on glow, face powder, or nail polish.

I've mostly been observing this thread but I just have to say that you're coming across as hyper-defensive. It's just not that serious.

ETA: Oops, probably should have finished reading the thread before posting because KappaMD already posted what I was thinking.