Fraternity Member Branded TCU

[why.so.curious?]

Ok he consented the first time he was branded, but then he was branded several times while passed out. He didn't consent to that. The Star-Telegram article says that once he passed out, someone (presumably fraternity brothers) continued to brand him with Deltas (for Tri Delt). He's not completely innocent, but the facts need to be taken into consideration.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by why.so.curious?

Ok he consented the first time he was branded, but then he was branded several times while passed out. He didn't consent to that. The Star-Telegram article says that once he passed out, someone (presumably fraternity brothers) continued to brand him with Deltas (for Tri Delt). He's not completely innocent, but the facts need to be taken into consideration.

I don't believe he was passed out.

He's trying to relieve himself of responsibility when he was just as liable.

[squirrely girl]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I don't believe he was passed out.

seriously?! cause you were there and all? do you have some super psychic power the rest of us don't know about? seriously, enough with the victim blaming. it's no classier when used to make excuses for people who brand than it is to mitigate the behavior of a rapist.

sure he got drunk and made a crappy decision. i'm pretty sure a few of us here have done some stupid crap while drunk. sure he "consented." aside from the issue that i don't really believe you can truly "consent" to hazing activities anymore than you can truly consent to sex while drunk. but i agree that when he withdrew his consent either verbally or by becoming unconscious they should have stopped. this isn't really a difficult concept to understand. again, this is called assault. i liken it very much to date rapists that have sex with disturbingly drunk or unconscious girls. people who assault other people do so because they think they're special and because they're self-absorbed people who don't value the rights of others. disfiguring scars and multiple surgeries aren't a "lesson" anybody should have to "learn."

and i'm "so sorry" for the "poor" guys (and girls?) that are going to get taken to task over this but if people haven't figured out that its not a good idea to engage in activities that could be considered hazing, in Colorado of all places... then their DUMB ASSES deserve to go to jail.

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[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by squirrely girl

seriously, enough with the victim blaming.

Assuming there's a victim.

Originally Posted by squirrely girl

it's no classier....

"Classy" is such an overused word on GC.

I honestly don't hear adults walking around talking about "classy."

[squirrely girl]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Assuming there's a victim.

well going from the idea that he didn't burn his own butt... or continue to burn his own butt...

and if the crux of your response is your distaste for the overuse of the word classy, let me first apologize profusely and then ask for a list of more obscure words with which to make my future points.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by squirrely girl

well going from the idea that he didn't burn his own butt... or continue to burn his own butt...

...then he may've been just another person who agreed to get branded by people who don't know what they're doing. It unfortunately happens.

If people are going to play the fence on this one, cool. However, if people are going to assume he's a victim just because there are accusations, the rest of us will continue being as skeptical as we are being.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by squirrely girl

but i agree that when he withdrew his consent either verbally or by becoming unconscious they should have stopped.

He withdrew his consent? Seriously?! Cause you were there and all? Do you have some super psychic power the rest of us don't know about?

Works both ways.

[LaneSig]

Originally Posted by why.so.curious?

Ok he consented the first time he was branded, but then he was branded several times while passed out. He didn't consent to that. The Star-Telegram article says that once he passed out, someone (presumably fraternity brothers) continued to brand him with Deltas (for Tri Delt). He's not completely innocent, but the facts need to be taken into consideration.

I'm having problems with the "passed out" part. If I was passed out, either by being drunk or whatever, I can guarantee that the first time someone held a piece of hot metal to my ass, I would be up. They wouldn't be able to do it "several times" and me stay passed out.

But then, I have a low pain threshold. I don't see how women get their legs waxed. I'd be all, "Yeah, not again. I'll walk around with hairy legs."