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01-27-2010, 02:58 PM
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Fraternity Member Branded TCU
FORT WORTH — One of the most prominent families in Fort Worth wants answers about what happened to their son.
Amon Carter IV came home from a trip with his buddies branded and seriously burned.
Fraternity branding is a growing phenomenon, but this incident goes far beyond that. The family of the great, great grandson of Amon Carter is asking how could it happen — with no one held accountable and no one raising an alarm?
Everyone seems to agree it was a stupid decision by several TCU students, the result of a night of drinking — perhaps a dare.
Amon Carter IV, a sophomore who goes by the name of "Chance," told News 8 he consented to be branded on his buttock, but that he did not consent to what eventually happened.
Chance's dad, Amon Carter III, has retained a lawyer to make sure the branding is investigated by police and also school officials.
http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/Amon-...-82758112.html
The story doesn't mention which fraternity he belongs to. It does mention that the incident happened on a trip to Breckenridge, Co., but doesn't say if it was fraternity sponsored or just a group on their own.
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01-27-2010, 03:11 PM
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Everything that a dumb collegiate does is not cause for a chapter getting in trouble or a fraternity getting sued.
He went on a trip, got drunk, agreed to get branded on his ass, and it didn't come out as he had hopes. DUH he didn't agree to get burned on the ass. Brands sometimes don't come out as hoped. Lesson learned.
(There are instances where members are pressured or physically forced to get brands.)
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01-27-2010, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil
Everything that a dumb collegiate does is not cause for a chapter getting in trouble or a fraternity getting sued.
He went on a trip, got drunk, agreed to get branded on his ass, and it didn't come out as he had hopes. DUH he didn't agree to get burned on the ass. Brands sometimes don't come out as hoped. Lesson learned.
(There are instances where members are pressured or physically forced to get brands.)
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Cosign.
I'd think that everyone would be on their best behavior around someone in the Amon Carter family, but that's what I get for assuming.
I'm sure I'll be hearing more about this as time progresses.
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01-27-2010, 03:14 PM
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That is truly disgusting. Poor guy. I think the most important point made was that hazing is against the law and no one can consent to being hazed.
I knew a Delta Sig in college who got branded on his ankle the night before our school's mud volleyball tourney. After playing, he and his brothers hosed off in front of their house. His skin slid off with the mud leaving a large square defect on his ankle. He had a massive scar when it healed. I don't think people have any idea what they are doing when they try to brand themselves or others.
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01-27-2010, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by AOII Angel
That is truly disgusting. Poor guy. I think the most important point made was that hazing is against the law and no one can consent to being hazed.
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People can absolutely consent to be hazed.
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01-27-2010, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk
People can absolutely consent to be hazed.
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Not according to Texas law. Does someone know about Colorado law? Since this did occur in Colorado. I don't know if they could prosecute these kids in TX anyway since it didn't occur there.
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01-27-2010, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by AOII Angel
Not according to Texas law. Does someone know about Colorado law? Since this did occur in Colorado. I don't know if they could prosecute these kids in TX anyway since it didn't occur there.
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Just because the law says it does not make it reality.
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Overall, though, it's the bigness of the car that counts the most. Because when something bad happens in a really big car – accidentally speeding through the middle of a gang of unruly young people who have been taunting you in a drive-in restaurant, for instance – it happens very far away – way out at the end of your fenders. It's like a civil war in Africa; you know, it doesn't really concern you too much. - P.J. O'Rourke
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01-27-2010, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk
Just because the law says it does not make it reality.
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But reality will still put your ass behind bars.
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01-27-2010, 03:40 PM
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I must live under a big rock...who is Amon Carter?
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01-27-2010, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by OleMissGlitter
I must live under a big rock...who is Amon Carter?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amon_G._Carter
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01-28-2010, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by OleMissGlitter
I must live under a big rock...who is Amon Carter?
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No, not a rock - you just don't live in DFW. The TCU Football Stadium, among other buildings on campus are named after his family.
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01-29-2010, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by OleMissGlitter
I must live under a big rock...who is Amon Carter?
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From one of the many news reports:
" . . . the Carters, who brought Chance Carter to the emergency room for treatment as soon as he returned home, have already consulted with a plastic surgeon who estimated it would take at least six procedures to repair.
. . . The Carters are one of the most prominent families in Forth Worth. Amon G. Carter was the president and publisher of the Forth Worth Star-Telegram newspaper in the 1920s "
(Ole Miss Glitter, I wondered the same thing, which certainly says something about my lowly social standing.)
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01-28-2010, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AOII Angel
That is truly disgusting. Poor guy. I think the most important point made was that hazing is against the law and no one can consent to being hazed.
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Yes you can. WEll, wait, no maybe not. If you consent it isn't hazing, though, right?
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01-28-2010, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RU OX Alum
Yes you can. WEll, wait, no maybe not. If you consent it isn't hazing, though, right?
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It is still hazing, because it even if you comply it is because of coercion.
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01-28-2010, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito
It is still hazing, because it even if you comply it is because of coercion.
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I believe it is hard to haze an initiated member. I truly don't know the laws on this but am sure someone here does. I my opinion, since a member or brother holds no power over another member it could not be hazing. It could be assault though if it was against their will but this does not seem to be the case here. Anyway if Kappa Sig National does anything to the chapter I will be ticked. Like I said this is just drunk dumb**ses who acted like idiots. Wonder if one of the girls branded him?
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