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[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

That is truly disgusting. Poor guy. I think the most important point made was that hazing is against the law and no one can consent to being hazed.

Yes you can. WEll, wait, no maybe not. If you consent it isn't hazing, though, right?

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

Yes you can. WEll, wait, no maybe not. If you consent it isn't hazing, though, right?

It is still hazing, because it even if you comply it is because of coercion.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

It is still hazing, because it even if you comply it is because of coercion.

I believe it is hard to haze an initiated member. I truly don't know the laws on this but am sure someone here does. I my opinion, since a member or brother holds no power over another member it could not be hazing. It could be assault though if it was against their will but this does not seem to be the case here. Anyway if Kappa Sig National does anything to the chapter I will be ticked. Like I said this is just drunk dumb**ses who acted like idiots. Wonder if one of the girls branded him?

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

I believe it is hard to haze an initiated member. I truly don't know the laws on this but am sure someone here does. I my opinion, since a member or brother holds no power over another member it could not be hazing. It could be assault though if it was against their will but this does not seem to be the case here. Anyway if Kappa Sig National does anything to the chapter I will be ticked. Like I said this is just drunk dumb**ses who acted like idiots. Wonder if one of the girls branded him?

People consent to hazing not just to gain the status of membership, but to maintain status through membership.

You feel compelled to do something because the choice to NOT do it will lead to social ostracization.

Google "post-pledging" and you can see an example or two of this.

[Ghostwriter]

I'll just bet anything one of the ladies they were with branded him. The sorority was named in the complaint.

Anyway he should man up, shut up and rub some dirt on it.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

People consent to hazing not just to gain the status of membership, but to maintain status through membership.

You feel compelled to do something because the choice to NOT do it will lead to social ostracization.

Google "post-pledging" and you can see an example or two of this.

Yep.

It's bascially peer pressure and the stresses of social networking within a GLO context.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

It is still hazing, because it even if you comply it is because of coercion.

You cannont concent based on coercion. You either concent or you are coerced. He said he concented to have a hot metal iron placed against his ass cheek, but didn't consent to be burned. This is stupid. That's like saying I meant to go swimming, but am mad now that I'm wet.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

It is still hazing, because it even if you comply it is because of coercion.

From a legal/criminal/disciplinary standpoint, it's probably off-the-mark to say you can't consent to hazing. Obviously as a practical matter, you can, although that consent can indeed be based on coercion and given under duress.

But the relevant legal factor is that consent is not a defense to a charge of hazing.

Originally Posted by baci

Keep in mind hazing refers to any activity expected of someone joining a group - or to maintain full status in a group - that humiliates, degrades or risks emotional and/or physical harm, regardless of the person's willingness to participate.

While this may be generally true, it all depends on how "hazing" is defined by the relevant state law or institutional policy. In my state, it's only hazing if there's physical injury involved. Humiliation and emotional harm don't meet the legal definition.