Fraternity Member Branded TCU

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

How many brands have you seen?

There are some that turn out OK, but a lot of them end up looking like shit.

You (general you) should know what you're getting into before agreeing to get one.

I've seen a few, but I actually have a lot of experience with burns. That brand was the result of multiple applications. They would have had to heat the brand and apply it to his skin more than once. The majority of brands I have seen have been a single sybol that is no larger than about 6". Anything larger risks skin sloughing since the skin around the brand will actually cook as well as the skin below the appliance. It may not look too terrible to you now, but the cell death will spread over the next few days...that's why he'll require several surgeries to repair the damage.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I've seen a few, but I actually have a lot of experience with burns. That brand was the result of multiple applications. They would have had to heat the brand and apply it to his skin more than once.

That is often how it is done. The majority of GLO branders (going back to the much more visible BGLO branding) do not have access to a commercialized symbol or nicely shaped wire so they use crappily shaped wire hangers and sometimes have to apply it more than once. Even those who do have access to a symbol often try to do "double branding" or put chapter symbols alongside the organization's symbols.

We don't know what tool and technique were used in this instance.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Anything larger risks skin sloughing since the skin around the brand will actually cook as well as the skin below the appliance. It may not look too terrible to you now, but the cell death will spread over the next few days...that's why he'll require several surgeries to repair the damage.

You're typing as a health expert.

Think along the lines of a dumbass drunk collegiate who knows nothing about burns and the negatives of branding.

[Langox510x]

Branding is dumb, the the parents of that kid should realize that their son is a dumb ass too. If a fellow brother was set on getting branded I wouldn't stop him, but I don't think I'd be watching either. Poor little rich boy...

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I've seen a few, but I actually have a lot of experience with burns. That brand was the result of multiple applications. They would have had to heat the brand and apply it to his skin more than once. The majority of brands I have seen have been a single sybol that is no larger than about 6". Anything larger risks skin sloughing since the skin around the brand will actually cook as well as the skin below the appliance. It may not look too terrible to you now, but the cell death will spread over the next few days...that's why he'll require several surgeries to repair the damage.

Many of the brands I've seen have come from multiple applications. Not saying it's right, but it's not out of the ordinary.

He's a grown man who made a grown up decision. His bad.

I'm not really inclined to believe that he was "forced" into doing it. The Carter family is very prominent in FW, especially around the TCU area. I will agree with DrPhil again -- I think he did something stupid, got found out, and is now trying to save face.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Many of the brands I've seen have come from multiple applications. Not saying it's right, but it's not out of the ordinary.

He's a grown man who made a grown up decision. His bad.

I'm not really inclined to believe that he was "forced" into doing it. The Carter family is very prominent in FW, especially around the TCU area. I will agree with DrPhil again -- I think he did something stupid, got found out, and is now trying to save face.

That may be, but automatically labeling him a liar just because of his family is wrong. He has a huge wound. Let there be an investigation. There is definitely enough question out there to warrant that. BTW...when I say multiple, I mean MANY, not like two or three. If he said stop after they started, they should have stopped. I for one, believe that he would have said stop. I think anyone would have said stop. Let's see more evidence. Show us the video, pictures of the defensive wounds, but calling him out because he is a Carter is classist.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Let there be an investigation.

Yeah we're definitely trying to stop the investigation. We're so sold on our opinions based on this limited info that nothing else matters.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

calling him out because he is a Carter is classist.

And assuming that he was completely oblivious to that fact that burning your flesh could hurt is naive.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

That is often how it is done. The majority of GLO branders (going back to the much more visible BGLO branding) do not have access to a commercialized symbol or nicely shaped wire so they use crappily shaped wire hangers and sometimes have to apply it more than once. Even those who do have access to a symbol often try to do "double branding" or put chapter symbols alongside the organization's symbols.

We don't know what tool and technique were used in this instance.



You're typing as a health expert.

Think along the lines of a dumbass drunk collegiate who knows nothing about burns and the negatives of branding.

This was exactly my point...that brand took multiple applications which he may not have expected or erroneously thought he could handle. Agreeing to it at the beginning is irrelevant. If he withdrew his consent, it becomes assault.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Neither do I.

Take my posts within their full context. Not to mention, what's embedded in your posts is an assumption regarding my own background.

I'm not assuming anything about your background. Just using what you typed...

Originally Posted by DrPhil

He's a member of a fraternity who consented to getting a brand. He's saving face for his wealthy helicopter family. And they are reacting as a wealthy helicopter family would.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Yeah we're definitely trying to stop the investigation. We're so sold on our opinions based on this limited info that nothing else matters.

Ha...that's funny.

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

And assuming that he was completely oblivious to that fact that burning your flesh could hurt is naive.

How many guys do you know that act macho and pretend they can handle more than they can?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

How many guys do you know that act macho and pretend they can handle more than they can?

Some of my brothers have asked me to get a brand. I said no.

8 years later, I'm still brand-free.

If he REALLY didn't want one, he didn't have to get one.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Some of my brothers have asked me to get a brand. I said no.

8 years later, I'm still brand-free.

If he REALLY didn't want one, he didn't have to get one.

I agree, I'm not arguing that he wasn't a complete moron to say yes at the onset, but as a feminist who believes that no means no, I really do believe that once you say no, the activity MUST stop. This happens in medicine all the time. I'm doing a procedure and the patient wants me to stop. I have to stop, otherwise, I actually can be charged with assault, as well. We all make mistakes, but if you are doing something to someone, and they want you to quit, it is in your best interest and theirs to stop immediately.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

This was exactly my point...that brand took multiple applications which he may not have expected or erroneously thought he could handle. Agreeing to it at the beginning is irrelevant. If he withdrew his consent, it becomes assault.

The bolded does not automatically an assault make.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I'm not assuming anything about your background. Just using what you typed..

Okay, so k_s and I are classist and making judgments of the wealthy and privileged because we are..........

No, you aren't using what I typed within its full context. You just picked up the "wealthy families" part.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

How many guys do you know that act macho and pretend they can handle more than they can?

Branding for men and women is often about pretending you can handle more than you can. So, does that make this Carter guy an idiot who is learning a lesson or a victim of assault? That's what the investigation is for.