Race & Sororities

deepimpact2 · #1 05-20-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

You mean that perhaps qualified women, for whatever reason, are not going through recruitment at all? Hmmmm . . . where I have heard that before?

If your take on it were true, we wouldn't see black or minority members of NPC chapters - and yet we do. That is the ultimate proof of what I and other NPC members have said - that no NPC group has a racial requirement, and that many blacks and other minorities have found a home in the groups of the NPC. That is not to say that it MIGHT or MIGHT NOT be an issue at Ole Miss - it could. But as I pointed out before and as you ignored, if qualified black women do not go through recruitment it will never change. AND even if the op were not to get a bid, it could be something other than her race.

So - deepimpact2 - what exactly is it you are telling the op? That she shouldn't even try?

The problem is that you are trying to have an all-or-nothing stance. You can't do that. As DrPhil pointed out, I never said ALL. You can never say ALL about anything. My take on it is simply that racism exists in the white sororities and that it DOES affect membership.

With respect to the issue of qualified women not applying, MY point is that in some instances it is because of these types of incidents. YOU are just throwing it out there to explain why there aren't more black women in these groups. What qualified black woman in her right mind would want to join an org that throws or participates in black face parties?

SWTXBelle · #2 05-20-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2

The problem is that you are trying to have an all-or-nothing stance. You can't do that. As DrPhil pointed out, I never said ALL. You can never say ALL about anything. My take on it is simply that racism exists in the white sororities and that it DOES affect membership.

With respect to the issue of qualified women not applying, MY point is that in some instances it is because of these types of incidents. YOU are just throwing it out there to explain why there aren't more black women in these groups. What qualified black woman in her right mind would want to join an org that throws or participates in black face parties?

Well, she'd have trouble joining a fraternity because of sexism.

One issue is you are painting with too broad a brush - AND you are assuming that you know what determines membership selection in a NPC chapter. YOU DON'T. You can't. You may assume all you want, but the problem is you keep saying you KNOW.

deepimpact2 · #3 05-20-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Well, she'd have trouble joining a fraternity because of sexism.

One issue is you are painting with too broad a brush - AND you are assuming that you know what determines membership selection in a NPC chapter. YOU DON'T. You can't. You may assume all you want, but the problem is you keep saying you KNOW.

I'm not saying I know how membership selection goes. I'm saying that it is BS to sit there and act as though race doesn't sometimes play a role. And yes, I also said that some of these groups will try to hide behind the membership selection process argument.

Zillini · #4 05-20-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I'm not saying I know how membership selection goes. I'm saying that it is BS to sit there and act as though race doesn't sometimes play a role. And yes, I also said that some of these groups will try to hide behind the membership selection process argument.

Herein lies the problem. Membership selection IS confidential. Therefore an NPC chapter cannot correct assumptions/accusations of why any PNM is released because they are not allowed to talk about it. Not to our alums, non-members, and certainly not to the press.

How often have we all heard stories right here on GC about Penny Perfect PNM who got released? Everyone responds maybe she didn't click with the actives, maybe there were 100's of others who were just as perfect, yadda, yadda, yadda. Add race to the mix and suddenly the assumption is it was racism.

deepimpact2 · #5 05-20-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Zillini

Herein lies the problem. Membership selection IS confidential. Therefore an NPC chapter cannot correct assumptions/accusations of why any PNM is released because they are not allowed to talk about it. Not to our alums, non-members, and certainly not to the press.

How often have we all heard stories right here on GC about Penny Perfect PNM who got released? Everyone responds maybe she didn't click with the actives, maybe there were 100's of others who were just as perfect, yadda, yadda, yadda. Add race to the mix and suddenly the assumption is it was racism.

It doesn't matter whether membership selection is confidential.

KSUViolet06 · #6 05-20-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2

My take on it is simply that racism exists in the white sororities and that it DOES affect membership.

Not to nitpick, but we are not "the white sororities."

agzg · #7 05-20-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Not to nitpick, but we are not "the white sororities."

Not nitpicking, just telling the truth.

I didn't join an NPC thinking it was a "white sorority." I don't think most members of NPCs think that way. Maybe some do, but they're probably in the minority, or, as Chaos said, on racially charged campuses.

AOII Angel · #8 05-20-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2

My take on it is simply that racism exists in the white sororities and that it DOES affect membership.

This sounds like a blanket statement that NPC sororities are racist. You don't have to use the word "ALL" to paint an entire group of organizations as racist. If you were trying to say that racism exists in SOME CHAPTERS of NPC sororities and MAY affect membership, I would agree with you 100%.

FSUZeta · #9 05-20-2009, 05:14 PM

[QUOTE=deepimpact2;1810718] My take on it is simply that racism exists in the white sororities and that it DOES affect membership.
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had you used the word "some" instead of "the", when referring to racism existing in white sororities, this argument might have ended many posts back. whether you meant to or not, your statement comes off as a generalization-therefore it is wrong.

oops-just saw that aopiangel and i were on the same track.

deepimpact2 · #10 05-20-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2

My take on it is simply that racism exists in the white sororities and that it DOES affect membership.
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had you used the word "some" instead of "the", when referring to racism existing in white sororities, this argument might have ended many posts back. whether you meant to or not, your statement comes off as a generalization-therefore it is wrong.

oops-just saw that aopiangel and i were on the same track.

Actually I think I made it clear some posts back that I wasn't saying that all of them are like that. DrPhil also pointed that out to another poster.
No need to take ONE line out of ALL of these posts I have written and harp on it.