If Hazing is Wrong, what's a better alternative?

[msl2008]

don't worry about me...because i'm an alum, i don't haze anyone and thus can't be put in jail or pay a fine. i just wanted to try and see if i could change my way of thinking by listening to the people on this board. as of now, i do think that my hybrid program of some physical stuff and some philanthropies/study sessions etc is the best way to go. as for people telling on us, well we've survived this long...and by the time we go away lots of things will be different in america anyway with the way this country is going. we got way more problems then college kids hazing other college kids. let's get the real criminals out there.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by msl2008

don't worry about me...because i'm an alum, i don't haze anyone and thus can't be put in jail or pay a fine. i just wanted to try and see if i could change my way of thinking by listening to the people on this board. as of now, i do think that my hybrid program of some physical stuff and some philanthropies/study sessions etc is the best way to go. as for people telling on us, well we've survived this long...and by the time we go away lots of things will be different in america anyway with the way this country is going. we got way more problems then college kids hazing other college kids. let's get the real criminals out there.

You're an alum and you don't haze anyone anymore. But you encourage the current active members to continue with the same activities. Are you going to be the one bailing them out and visiting them in jail? Because I doubt it.

You don't think a hybrid program of physical stuff and productive philanthropies/study sessions would be helpful? So only pushups and yelling for not knowing the founders names or the ages of all their pledge brothers is the best way to go? Yea, that sounds right. College isn't about academics and building relationships with the surrounding community anyway.

You've survived this long, and that's great. But just a few weeks ago a thread was started here in which a chapter that had been on a campus for nearly 100 years was caught for hazing. Everyone always thinks that it can't happen to them.

And if you think that deaths due to hazing is a small problem, then I would really like to know what you would consider a "big" problem.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Are you going to be the one bailing them out and visiting them in jail?

He's only going to bail out the ones who can do 50 pushups.

The rest will be passed around the cell block.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

He's only going to bail out the ones who can do 50 pushups.

The rest will be passed around the cell block.

Haha. That sounds about right.

And mls2008, since you think your chapter is invincible, here's a story of a few girls that I know personally:

A couple years ago, this one chapter had a new member class. One of the new members came back to her room to find that it was trashed. From what I understand, this happened because this girl was a little slower at learning some of the sorority information. It turned out the reason was because her dad was in the hospital for a few weeks, and his chances of living were about 50/50. Fortunately he made it, but this girl was an emotional wreck and kept it to herself, not wanting to burden the rest of the chapter. Well... she gets back to her room, it's completely turned upside down. There's a note saying it was the sorority. She breaks down. She calls her mom to talk to her about it. Without her knowing, her mom calls the national organization. It turns out the chapter was unaware this happened, and only two sisters were actually involved with this incident, which they owned up to. The national organization told the chapter that they either lose their charter, or they remove these two girls from the chapter and strip their letters. They obviously chose the latter.

All it takes is one phone call for something to happen. Some people aren't afraid to report hazing incidents, and I commend them for that.