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Old 03-12-2009, 10:46 PM
msl2008 msl2008 is offline
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Ok...maybe I forgot to post what I meant when I said physical punishments. There's just too much stuff to cover it all in a few posts. But anyway, I am not referring to you yourself doing pushups to prove something. That's why fraternities have pledge classes right? You're supposed to bond and build relationships with your pledge class, not yourself. It's supposed to be a teamwork building experience.

So instead of you doing something for yourself, you have to work as a team. A team is only as strong as their weakest link. So say the Pledge Educator gives an assignment ie learn the chapter's history and you will have a test in one week. One week comes along and they take a paper test and just say one guy fails. Ok, big whoop right? maybe i'll get kicked out of pledging or whatnot. but if instead of a paper test you line them up and ask them, you get the same result. the person who doesn't know the info will still not know the info. however, this time instead of him being in trouble, the PE tells his pledge brother to drop and give him 20 pushups. this goes down and down the line. you might be willing to take blame if you messed up yourself and don't see a point. but wouldn't you feel different if someone else was doing something for YOUR mistake? i know i sure as hell would feel bad.

there a lot of sayings that people only reach 10% of their potential or something like that and i believe it's true. how can you truly achieve anything great without pushing yourself? if you're just showered with positive reinforcement 24/7, you won't ever think there's anything wrong or anything you can do better and you become less humble b/c the only thing people say to you are good things.

now for all those people who say pledging gets out of hand. i realize this and totally accept it. please don't bring this into the equation in addition to the beatings or water torture.

but anyway, if pledging was centered around things such as the one i posted don't you think they could have a possibility of working? they work in sports and the army don't they? but of course the difference there is that those are run by adults and college kids could never do that. but personally i don't think hazing is ever going to be eliminated no matter what. if it were that easy, it would be that easy to eliminate gangs too wouldn't it? but that's another topic.

and for the ppl who say that hazing is against the law, obviously everyone knows that. but lots of things are against the law that people do and the government can't do anything about till it's too late. so let's be realistic here.
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Old 03-12-2009, 10:52 PM
KSUViolet06 KSUViolet06 is offline
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and for the ppl who say that hazing is against the law, obviously everyone knows that. but lots of things are against the law that people do and the government can't do anything about till it's too late. so let's be realistic here.
So it's illegal, but people still do it, so we should keep doing it because it's not like anyone's going to do anything about it?

Riiight.
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Old 03-12-2009, 11:00 PM
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I really dislike the comparison of "well the military does it for bonding and training" as these are two completely different groups. One you can get shot at, and the other one you're doing shots.

I'm still at a loss at how treating people like crap and yelling at them makes them better members. I'd rather someone have the testicles or ovaries to stand up to that nonsense. I've asked it before and I'll ask it again, why pledge people who you have to humiliate, why not pledge people who already have the qualities you look for?
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