oh DAYUM!!! Bush almost got clocked by a SHOE

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by ufpika

And you support this shoe throwing, along with thousands of supporters of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr that burned American flags in protest of Bush.

Damn dude, you keep good company.

Yes.



Our sitting president?

Don't support him, didn't vote for him neither time.

I think he is the WORST we have ever had in recent history.

Messed up economy

People out of work

heathcare in shambles

Education system producing dumb assed kids

and I haven't even GOTTEN to the war.

He and his admin I believe are responsible for mostly why we are in the mess that we are in now worldwide and since this year started I could not wait for 1/20/2009, regardless of whoever was voted for.

And the tip of the iceberg?

To make you go nuts?

The guy that threw the shoe?

.....more power to him.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

heathcare in shambles

Education system producing dumb assed kids

This was the case before Bush was elected the first time around.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This was the case before Bush was elected the first time around.

And nothing was done to stop the slide (NCLB? HAH! Medicare reform?? WHERE?) because we were too busy wasting money in this war which hasn't really produced anything but deeper dissent towards the US as accented by the shoe thrown at Bush.

ahhh but we are circling around the carcass again aren't we.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

ahhh but we are circling around the carcass again aren't we.

YOU are.

But when vultures circle, they are doing so for a goal. What's yours?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

YOU are.

But when vultures circle, they are doing so for a goal. What's yours?

Im not hungry.

[Zephyrus]

When I looked at the video it didn't even look as though any secret service were around. Other Iraqis in the crowd had to calm the guy down. And it seemed to have taken them a while to have any effect on him.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by Zephyrus

When I looked at the video it didn't even look as though any secret service were around. Other Iraqis in the crowd had to calm the guy down. And it seemed to have taken them a while to have any effect on him.

I noticed that too. For all the preparation the SS puts into making sure the president is safe from bombs, assassination, terrorist attacks, etc, they took forever to respond to a measly pair of shoes.

I don't like Bush. I think he is definitely the worst president I have seen in my lifetime, but I don't think anyone should be throwing shoes at him. Above all else I think people should show some respect for the high office, even if they don't like him.

[ufpika]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Yes.



Our sitting president?

Don't support him, didn't vote for him neither time.

I think he is the WORST we have ever had in recent history.

Messed up economy

People out of work

heathcare in shambles

Education system producing dumb assed kids

and I haven't even GOTTEN to the war.

He and his admin I believe are responsible for mostly why we are in the mess that we are in now worldwide and since this year started I could not wait for 1/20/2009, regardless of whoever was voted for.

And the tip of the iceberg?

To make you go nuts?

The guy that threw the shoe?

.....more power to him.

So the President is the reason that we can't hire good qualified teachers to teach our kids? How is healthcare in shambles? We have the best and most advanced healthcare in the world. When people in other countries get sick, they come to the US for treatment (when available). People not having healthcare b/c their employer doesn't provide it doesn't mean our system is in shambles.

Messed up economy??? Didn't the economy take its largest downturn around 9/11? And wasn't that in the first 3 month's of Bush's first term? That falls on Mr. Clinton. 9/11 was planned for years, it didn't happen in 3 months. Actually, 9/11 falls on many presidents before Bush (indluding his father) that failed to pull the trigger when they had Osama Bin Laden in their crosshairs.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by ufpika

When people in other countries get sick, they come to the US for treatment (when available).

Not really. We certainly have world-class facilities for some illnesses (cancer comes to mind) but our primary care is only comparable to what many other countries offer.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Not really. We certainly have world-class facilities for some illnesses (cancer comes to mind) but our primary care is only comparable to what many other countries offer.

actually jeni, ufpkia has a point, to a certain point

(both of you are right, however)

I have worked in direct patient care for almost 20 years and I have seen many times where people have come to the states to be treated for illnesses first before they have gone to otehr facilities in other parts of the world.

But what is interesting is because we teach so many foreign doctors, we should think about how many will go home with their knowledge and open up those comparable facilities to heal those who need it and who knows?

Possibly charge even less or comparable prices to get healed.

Most certainly would save on a trip and then there is the possibility that they would be more comfortable being treated by one of their own.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by ufpika

Messed up economy??? Didn't the economy take its largest downturn around 9/11? And wasn't that in the first 3 month's of Bush's first term? That falls on Mr. Clinton. 9/11 was planned for years, it didn't happen in 3 months. Actually, 9/11 falls on many presidents before Bush (indluding his father) that failed to pull the trigger when they had Osama Bin Laden in their crosshairs.

How is the economy right now?

Forget 2001...right. now.

[ufpika]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Yes.



Our sitting president?

Don't support him, didn't vote for him neither time.

I think he is the WORST we have ever had in recent history.

Messed up economy

People out of work

heathcare in shambles

Education system producing dumb assed kids

and I haven't even GOTTEN to the war.

He and his admin I believe are responsible for mostly why we are in the mess that we are in now worldwide and since this year started I could not wait for 1/20/2009, regardless of whoever was voted for.

And the tip of the iceberg?

To make you go nuts?

The guy that threw the shoe?

.....more power to him.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

How is the economy right now?

Forget 2001...right. now.

It wouldn't be where it is right now if it didn't decrease in 2001. I can agree with you that Bush hasn't helped the economy. War is always a drain on the economy and it was ultimately his decision to go to war. We would still not be in the greatest economy in history if you take out the effects of 9/11, but it is what it is because of the past.

There are a lot of things that contributed to today's economy, and you can't look at the status of today, without looking at the past.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by ufpika

It wouldn't be where it is right now if it didn't decrease in 2001. I can agree with you that Bush hasn't helped the economy. War is always a drain on the economy and it was ultimately his decision to go to war. We would still not be in the greatest economy in history if you take out the effects of 9/11, but it is what it is because of the past.

There are a lot of things that contributed to today's economy, and you can't look at the status of today, without looking at the past.

And while I agree with you on that point, hasn't it been mentioned for a long while that unless the US did things differently, we could have avoided the economic mess that we are in now.

There have been warnings since at least 2004 (we can google and see what we come up with) that we were headed in that direction.

Kinda like driving a car past several signs saying the bridge is out and wondering why now your car is headed for a rocky bottom.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by ufpika

Didn't the economy take its largest downturn around 9/11? And wasn't that in the first 3 month's of Bush's first term? That falls on Mr. Clinton. 9/11 was planned for years, it didn't happen in 3 months.

Forgetting the rest of this... Because this quote makes me think you're an idiot.

9/11 means 11 September

The president takes office 20 January.

How is that 3 months on any planet?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by kstar

Forgetting the rest of this... Because this quote makes me think you're an idiot.

9/11 means 11 September

The president takes office 20 January.

How is that 3 months on any planet?

Damn.

Good catch!