oh DAYUM!!! Bush almost got clocked by a SHOE

[DaemonSeid]

An excerpt:

The hurling of shoes at Bush on his last visit to Iraq as president made an ironic bookend to one of the first images after the 2003 U.S. invasion, when Iraqi opponents of deposed leader Saddam Hussein toppled one of his statues in Baghdad and hit it with their shoes.

Zeidi attained instant hero status around the Arab world. At one Baghdad elementary school, a geography teacher asked her students if they had seen the footage of the shoe-throwing, then told them, "All Iraqis should be proud of this Iraqi brave man, Muntadhar. History will remember him forever."

In Baghdad's Shiite slum of Sadr City, thousands of supporters of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr burned American flags in protest of Bush and called for the release of Zeidi, a 28-year-old Shiite who works for the private Iraqi TV station Al-Baghdadia.

What made Zeidi's defiance particularly resonant for many was their anger at autocratic Arab leaders whom they have considered slavish followers of Bush's policies in the Middle East.



Abdel-Sattar Qassem, a Palestinian political-science professor at the West Bank's An Najah University, wrote in an online commentary: "Bush wanted to end his bloody term hearing compliments and welcoming words from his collaborators in the Arab and Islamic world. But a shoe from a real Arab man summed up Bush's black history and told the entire world that the Arabs hold their head high."

The Iraq war is the most prominent cause of Arab resentment of Bush. Even many who were outraged at Shiite and Sunni militant groups for the killing of civilians and sectarian strife that tore the country apart ultimately blamed Bush for unleashing the chaos. Some accuse his administration of fueling Shiite-Sunni tensions across the region.

More broadly, nearly every U.S. policy in the region became seen as part of a campaign to divide or subjugate Muslim nations, from Iran and Syria to Sudan and Somalia.

The Bush administration's "war on terror" was seen as a war on Muslims and Arabs in general, an image fueled by civilian deaths in Afghanistan and, in particular, the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

Bush was seen as heavily favoring Israel over the Palestinians. His administration's campaign to isolate the Palestinian militant group Hamas translated to the Arab public as an attempt to starve Palestinians in Hamas-ruled Gaza.


http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...lysis1216.html

[ufpika]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

An excerpt:

The hurling of shoes at Bush on his last visit to Iraq as president made an ironic bookend to one of the first images after the 2003 U.S. invasion, when Iraqi opponents of deposed leader Saddam Hussein toppled one of his statues in Baghdad and hit it with their shoes.

Zeidi attained instant hero status around the Arab world. At one Baghdad elementary school, a geography teacher asked her students if they had seen the footage of the shoe-throwing, then told them, "All Iraqis should be proud of this Iraqi brave man, Muntadhar. History will remember him forever."

In Baghdad's Shiite slum of Sadr City, thousands of supporters of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr burned American flags in protest of Bush and called for the release of Zeidi, a 28-year-old Shiite who works for the private Iraqi TV station Al-Baghdadia.

What made Zeidi's defiance particularly resonant for many was their anger at autocratic Arab leaders whom they have considered slavish followers of Bush's policies in the Middle East.



Abdel-Sattar Qassem, a Palestinian political-science professor at the West Bank's An Najah University, wrote in an online commentary: "Bush wanted to end his bloody term hearing compliments and welcoming words from his collaborators in the Arab and Islamic world. But a shoe from a real Arab man summed up Bush's black history and told the entire world that the Arabs hold their head high."

The Iraq war is the most prominent cause of Arab resentment of Bush. Even many who were outraged at Shiite and Sunni militant groups for the killing of civilians and sectarian strife that tore the country apart ultimately blamed Bush for unleashing the chaos. Some accuse his administration of fueling Shiite-Sunni tensions across the region.

More broadly, nearly every U.S. policy in the region became seen as part of a campaign to divide or subjugate Muslim nations, from Iran and Syria to Sudan and Somalia.

The Bush administration's "war on terror" was seen as a war on Muslims and Arabs in general, an image fueled by civilian deaths in Afghanistan and, in particular, the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

Bush was seen as heavily favoring Israel over the Palestinians. His administration's campaign to isolate the Palestinian militant group Hamas translated to the Arab public as an attempt to starve Palestinians in Hamas-ruled Gaza.


http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...lysis1216.html

And you support this shoe throwing, along with thousands of supporters of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr that burned American flags in protest of Bush.

Damn dude, you keep good company.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by ufpika

And you support this shoe throwing, along with thousands of supporters of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr that burned American flags in protest of Bush.

Damn dude, you keep good company.

Yes.



Our sitting president?

Don't support him, didn't vote for him neither time.

I think he is the WORST we have ever had in recent history.

Messed up economy

People out of work

heathcare in shambles

Education system producing dumb assed kids

and I haven't even GOTTEN to the war.

He and his admin I believe are responsible for mostly why we are in the mess that we are in now worldwide and since this year started I could not wait for 1/20/2009, regardless of whoever was voted for.

And the tip of the iceberg?

To make you go nuts?

The guy that threw the shoe?

.....more power to him.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

heathcare in shambles

Education system producing dumb assed kids

This was the case before Bush was elected the first time around.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

This was the case before Bush was elected the first time around.

And nothing was done to stop the slide (NCLB? HAH! Medicare reform?? WHERE?) because we were too busy wasting money in this war which hasn't really produced anything but deeper dissent towards the US as accented by the shoe thrown at Bush.

ahhh but we are circling around the carcass again aren't we.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

ahhh but we are circling around the carcass again aren't we.

YOU are.

But when vultures circle, they are doing so for a goal. What's yours?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

YOU are.

But when vultures circle, they are doing so for a goal. What's yours?

Im not hungry.

[Zephyrus]

When I looked at the video it didn't even look as though any secret service were around. Other Iraqis in the crowd had to calm the guy down. And it seemed to have taken them a while to have any effect on him.

[ufpika]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Yes.



Our sitting president?

Don't support him, didn't vote for him neither time.

I think he is the WORST we have ever had in recent history.

Messed up economy

People out of work

heathcare in shambles

Education system producing dumb assed kids

and I haven't even GOTTEN to the war.

He and his admin I believe are responsible for mostly why we are in the mess that we are in now worldwide and since this year started I could not wait for 1/20/2009, regardless of whoever was voted for.

And the tip of the iceberg?

To make you go nuts?

The guy that threw the shoe?

.....more power to him.

So the President is the reason that we can't hire good qualified teachers to teach our kids? How is healthcare in shambles? We have the best and most advanced healthcare in the world. When people in other countries get sick, they come to the US for treatment (when available). People not having healthcare b/c their employer doesn't provide it doesn't mean our system is in shambles.

Messed up economy??? Didn't the economy take its largest downturn around 9/11? And wasn't that in the first 3 month's of Bush's first term? That falls on Mr. Clinton. 9/11 was planned for years, it didn't happen in 3 months. Actually, 9/11 falls on many presidents before Bush (indluding his father) that failed to pull the trigger when they had Osama Bin Laden in their crosshairs.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by ufpika

When people in other countries get sick, they come to the US for treatment (when available).

Not really. We certainly have world-class facilities for some illnesses (cancer comes to mind) but our primary care is only comparable to what many other countries offer.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Not really. We certainly have world-class facilities for some illnesses (cancer comes to mind) but our primary care is only comparable to what many other countries offer.

actually jeni, ufpkia has a point, to a certain point

(both of you are right, however)

I have worked in direct patient care for almost 20 years and I have seen many times where people have come to the states to be treated for illnesses first before they have gone to otehr facilities in other parts of the world.

But what is interesting is because we teach so many foreign doctors, we should think about how many will go home with their knowledge and open up those comparable facilities to heal those who need it and who knows?

Possibly charge even less or comparable prices to get healed.

Most certainly would save on a trip and then there is the possibility that they would be more comfortable being treated by one of their own.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by ufpika

Messed up economy??? Didn't the economy take its largest downturn around 9/11? And wasn't that in the first 3 month's of Bush's first term? That falls on Mr. Clinton. 9/11 was planned for years, it didn't happen in 3 months. Actually, 9/11 falls on many presidents before Bush (indluding his father) that failed to pull the trigger when they had Osama Bin Laden in their crosshairs.

How is the economy right now?

Forget 2001...right. now.

[ufpika]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Yes.



Our sitting president?

Don't support him, didn't vote for him neither time.

I think he is the WORST we have ever had in recent history.

Messed up economy

People out of work

heathcare in shambles

Education system producing dumb assed kids

and I haven't even GOTTEN to the war.

He and his admin I believe are responsible for mostly why we are in the mess that we are in now worldwide and since this year started I could not wait for 1/20/2009, regardless of whoever was voted for.

And the tip of the iceberg?

To make you go nuts?

The guy that threw the shoe?

.....more power to him.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

How is the economy right now?

Forget 2001...right. now.

It wouldn't be where it is right now if it didn't decrease in 2001. I can agree with you that Bush hasn't helped the economy. War is always a drain on the economy and it was ultimately his decision to go to war. We would still not be in the greatest economy in history if you take out the effects of 9/11, but it is what it is because of the past.

There are a lot of things that contributed to today's economy, and you can't look at the status of today, without looking at the past.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by ufpika

It wouldn't be where it is right now if it didn't decrease in 2001. I can agree with you that Bush hasn't helped the economy. War is always a drain on the economy and it was ultimately his decision to go to war. We would still not be in the greatest economy in history if you take out the effects of 9/11, but it is what it is because of the past.

There are a lot of things that contributed to today's economy, and you can't look at the status of today, without looking at the past.

And while I agree with you on that point, hasn't it been mentioned for a long while that unless the US did things differently, we could have avoided the economic mess that we are in now.

There have been warnings since at least 2004 (we can google and see what we come up with) that we were headed in that direction.

Kinda like driving a car past several signs saying the bridge is out and wondering why now your car is headed for a rocky bottom.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by ufpika

Didn't the economy take its largest downturn around 9/11? And wasn't that in the first 3 month's of Bush's first term? That falls on Mr. Clinton. 9/11 was planned for years, it didn't happen in 3 months.

Forgetting the rest of this... Because this quote makes me think you're an idiot.

9/11 means 11 September

The president takes office 20 January.

How is that 3 months on any planet?