Shocked & Disgusted

[christiangirl]

The facebook statuses I've seen are a little salty, but not openly racist. I only see the statuses of people on my friends list and they KNOW they don't dare put something racist up knowing full well I'll see it. They are bitter and hater-ish, but not openly racist. Mostly, they refer to him as an "anti-Christ" "Communist" and a "baby-killer." That's bad, but not like the other stuff I've heard from strangers who don't care about my feelings.

Like the white guys at the gas station who were raving about how the country's going to the dog's because "that stupid n******'s coming into office." Or the nurse at my job who said "the two names together sound like 'osama bin laden' why on earth would I vote for that?" Mostly, it's the comments on Youtube under Obama videos, such as (edited for content):

"THIS DUMB N****R!"

"F*** OBAMA BITCHEz STUPID N****R SHOULD GO BACK TO DA COTTON FIELDz"

"f888 n*****s. i can't wait to see this f******g country burn to the ground with this dumba** coon as president."

"If both candidates were black, you n***** wouldn't know who to vote for!! "

"remember obama becareful with having dreams cause remember the last black guy who had a dream.. he got shot lol "

"F*** obama, a N***** AS PRESIDENT? Watch that b***h is getting assassinated "


AND SO ON. Some people in this country (including supporters of EITHER side) are CLEARLY not ready for a black man to be president. However, some people weren't ready for Black people to have equal rights upheld by law or for slaves to be freed or for interracial couples to marry. If you wait for people to be ready then the only thing they'll ever be ready for is for things to stay EXACTLY THE SAME. So let's do what we as a country have a history of doing--forging ahead and demanding change and the people who aren't ready will just have to catch up.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

"If both candidates were black, you n***** wouldn't know who to vote for!! "

AND SO ON. Some people in this country (including supporters of EITHER side) are CLEARLY not ready for a black man to be president. However, some people weren't ready for Black people to have equal rights upheld by law or for slaves to be freed or for interracial couples to marry. If you wait for people to be ready then the only thing they'll ever be ready for is for things to stay EXACTLY THE SAME. So let's do what we as a country have a history of doing--forging ahead and demanding change and the people who aren't ready will just have to catch up.

and what is a bit ironic about that is when they (as usual) have been both white, people got some bad results from both....heh!

The internet is a wonderful place to say things that you don't dare say aloud in front of folks....so I am not surprised that a lot of this is going to be happening for the next 4 to 8 years.


Love that last statement...you don't wait on something that you should already have that you desperately deserve,especially when the rest of the world is already doing it.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

The facebook statuses I've seen are a little salty, but not openly racist. I only see the statuses of people on my friends list and they KNOW they don't dare put something racist up knowing full well I'll see it. They are bitter and hater-ish, but not openly racist. Mostly, they refer to him as an "anti-Christ" "Communist" and a "baby-killer." That's bad, but not like the other stuff I've heard from strangers who don't care about my feelings.

Like the white guys at the gas station who were raving about how the country's going to the dog's because "that stupid n******'s coming into office." Or the nurse at my job who said "the two names together sound like 'osama bin laden' why on earth would I vote for that?" Mostly, it's the comments on Youtube under Obama videos, such as (edited for content):

"THIS DUMB N****R!"

"F*** OBAMA BITCHEz STUPID N****R SHOULD GO BACK TO DA COTTON FIELDz"

"f888 n*****s. i can't wait to see this f******g country burn to the ground with this dumba** coon as president."

"If both candidates were black, you n***** wouldn't know who to vote for!! "

"remember obama becareful with having dreams cause remember the last black guy who had a dream.. he got shot lol "

"F*** obama, a N***** AS PRESIDENT? Watch that b***h is getting assassinated "


AND SO ON. Some people in this country (including supporters of EITHER side) are CLEARLY not ready for a black man to be president. However, some people weren't ready for Black people to have equal rights upheld by law or for slaves to be freed or for interracial couples to marry. If you wait for people to be ready then the only thing they'll ever be ready for is for things to stay EXACTLY THE SAME. So let's do what we as a country have a history of doing--forging ahead and demanding change and the people who aren't ready will just have to catch up.

Nevertheless, if MLK fought and died for anything, he taught us once you remove the reading of words from your active psyche, and respond from a place of serenity and peace... Then the reading of ugliness means nothing.

It takes a high mind and a high place to keep your cool... That is what President Obama is asking people like us to do. We have to love one another--even if they hate us and say they are a Christian.

To add: BTW, I KNOW this actions to take, but I have to work on this kind of stuff too... It has taken me 40 years to get to acknowledge that point...

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

That is what President Obama is asking people like us to do.

OBAMA is asking that of us or he's just building off of what many of us have been taught all of our lives regarding ignorance?

The latter.

The same goes for MLK's "teachings." Black folks had been turning the other cheek and silently protesting decades before MLK was relevant. He was simply able to mobilize blacks and the rest of the nation toward peaceful change, which is different from believing he actually taught us about the power and meaning of words.

And this isn't about being a Christian or even about hate or hateful people. It's simply about what humans do when they feel threatened for whatever reasons. That's what the racist structure is about.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

OBAMA is asking that of us or he's just building off of what many of us have been taught all of our lives regarding ignorance?

The latter.

The same goes for MLK's "teachings." Black folks had been turning the other cheek and silently protesting decades before MLK was relevant. He was simply able to mobilize blacks and the rest of the nation toward peaceful change, which is different from believing he actually taught us about the power and meaning of words.

And this isn't about being a Christian or even about hate or hateful people. It's simply about what humans do when they feel threatened for whatever reasons. That's what the racist structure is about.

Well, what do you think President Obama asked us to do based on his acceptance speech? We all have different perspectives of how President Obama's words resonated with us. We can get caught in the semantics or we can take effective and meaningful actions.

President Obama also said that it is going to take awhile to do what we have to do on the same page, in one accord.

I beg to differ about the Christian behavior displayed by those who posted "F*** the N******" Why would an Chinese national want to use those words when it is inherent in their culture not to manifest personal hatreds and anger? No, if anything, these comments were made by a person of African descent living in American whose ancestors were slaves... They were just a extreme McCain/Palin supporters.

And what is racist structure? I think that racism is inherently a neuropsychological pathology--much like multi-symptomatic mixed-episode schizo-affective disorder with a substance addiction... Or like dysthymia...

Are you saying a racist structure is a fabrication in their mind?

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I think that racism is inherently a neuropsychological pathology--much like multi-symptomatic mixed-episode schizo-affective disorder with a substance addiction... Or like dysthymia...

Could you please explain that one a little further?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

Could you please explain that one a little further?

Yikes......

Racism isn't a "sickness" or a "pathology." LOL. That's what people said a decade and more ago when they were still trying to understand racism as "bad people who say and do bad things that frighten and hurt people." That's why fools were focusing on tolerance and sensitivity training to "cure racism." If folks only learned about other people, they'd be nicer and racism would fall apart, right? No, so fools were baffled when people had their tolerance certification and were self-proclaimed "good people who don't hate anyone because we're all God's creatures" but there was STILL racism. How could that be? LOL...that's because racism is a structure that has permeated institutions and is reinforced through individual actions and structural processes.

That's why I don't call PEOPLE racist because a lot of people think that's about a pathology of "bad people." Instead, you can be the most loving person in the world and reinforce the racist structure and you can be the most hateful person in the world and reinforce the racist structure. It's about sense of group threat and racial identity processes. THAT is what American history, including this election and social issues such as welfare and immigration, has taught us. Self-proclaimed "good people" and "Godly people" suddenly turned crazily intolerant to defend what they considered to be their turf and their resources.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Yikes......

Racism isn't a "sickness" or a "pathology." LOL. That's what people said a decade and more ago when they were still trying to understand racism as "bad people who say and do bad things that frighten and hurt people." That's why fools were focusing on tolerance and sensitivity training to "cure racism." If folks only learned about other people, they'd be nicer and racism would fall apart, right? No, so fools were baffled when people had their tolerance certification and were self-proclaimed "good people who don't hate anyone because we're all God's creatures" but there was STILL racism. How could that be? LOL...that's because racism is a structure that has permeated institutions and is reinforced through individual actions and structural processes.

That's why I don't call PEOPLE racist because a lot of people think that's about a pathology of "bad people." Instead, you can be the most loving person in the world and reinforce the racist structure and you can be the most hateful person in the world and reinforce the racist structure. It's about sense of group threat and racial identity processes. THAT is what American history, including this election and social issues such as welfare and immigration, has taught us. Self-proclaimed "good people" and "Godly people" suddenly turned crazily intolerant to defend what they considered to be their turf and their resources.

Just saw this and am co-signing.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

He asked us to do what many of us would've done had he not said it.

Don't give this man credit for stuff he doesn't deserve credit for. He's a great orator but I really hope there aren't people who were going to act a fool and decide not to because "Obama asked us...."

Wow. Another judgment!!! How is that helping? Yes he can be credited for as arduous his campaign was, in my opinion. Be free to disagree with that. It still does not negate the fact the people who choose to make disparaging comments are suffering from an insecure psychosis.

Originally Posted by christiangirl

Could you please explain that one a little further?

Racism is an organized attempt to justify a superiority over one who physically appears different.

Humans use discernment is looks while developing learning. They inherently discriminate on inane things such as preferring candy vs. broccoli... When it becomes discrimination against others simple because of the way the people look, and a systematic oppression of their thriving in a society that purports freedom, liberty and all men are created equal, then that is what sociologists are calling racism. There are further definitions.

I professionally think racism is a neuropsychological pathology. As children, they use discrimination to learn, but when the parent/environment foster traumatic events, anxieties, where logic and reason is suppressed to act on anger inappropriately, then a psychosis develops. And as this psychosis is nurtured, the very neurons and brain chemicals inappropriately flux into a pathological condition that is manifested as negative behavior. As it further develops, the person's psyche deteriorates and leads to a destructive behavior that requires substances to self-soothe, which does not really work for this condition. Eventually, as the person ages, a chronic illness develops and they die. Rarely are these deaths peaceful...

Curing is not the goal here. Treating the underlying condition, a psychosis likened to a schizo-affective disorder, would be in order here. However, the biological and medical treatments are not there yet, and are unfunded at this time.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

How is that helping?

Eh...just don't like seeing people put on pedastols that they have yet to earn.

ETA: As for your judgment of people making those statements, the only "insecure psychosis" that many of them are probably dealing with is attention whoredom and fear of the unknown. That's the recipe for an "ism."

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

When it becomes discrimination against others simple because of the way the people look, and a systematic oppression of their thriving in a society that purports freedom, liberty and all men are created equal, then that is what sociologists are calling racism.

The way people look and anything that identifies a group as "the other." Names, voices, religious denominations, social networks, etc.

The other part of our conceptualization of racism is that people aren't discriminating against others because they have nothing better to do with their time or for genetic and biological reasons. It is about a sense of threat or fear. Those who have genetic or biological issues could just as easily chosen something other than racist behavior to manifest. So while these genetic and biological issues may be correlated with individual racist behavior for some people, it isn't a cause or a strong correlate that is necessary and sufficient for the racist structure. However, I would love to read the genetic and biological research on racism. Interdisciplinary research is what's up.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Well, what do you think President Obama asked us to do based on his acceptance speech?

He asked us to do what many of us would've done had he not said it.

Don't give this man credit for stuff he doesn't deserve credit for. He's a great orator but I really hope there aren't people who were going to act a fool and decide not to because "Obama asked us...."

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

And what is racist structure? I think that racism is inherently a neuropsychological pathology--much like multi-symptomatic mixed-episode schizo-affective disorder with a substance addiction... Or like dysthymia...

Are you saying a racist structure is a fabrication in their mind?

I'm just noticing this. I come from the racism-as-structure school of thought. The notion of racism as structure contradicts this psychoanalytical stuff because the latter is curable through therapy and is about individual behavior.

...unless you're arguing that there is a potential interaction between addictions and behavior disorders and the racist structure. That has been found in the literature regarding individual-level behaviors. But we're talking about the racist structure which doesn't require an individual-level pathology for it to operate and for ALL of us to reinforce it. However, "pathological society" has been used in the literature to characterize a society with structural inequalities.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I'm just noticing this. I come from the racism-as-structure school of thought. The notion of racism as structure contradicts this psychoanalytical stuff because the latter is curable through therapy and is about individual behavior.

...unless you're arguing that there is a potential interaction between addictions and behavior disorders and the racist structure. That has been found in the literature regarding individual-level behaviors. But we're talking about the racist structure which doesn't require an individual-level pathology for it to operate and for ALL of us to reinforce it. However, "pathological society" has been used in the literature to characterize a society with structural inequalities.

Cure is an inappropriate term with mental health conditions. Maybe oneday when scientists have a better understanding of behavioral genetics, but, cure is not what therapists or psychiatrist do. At best with healthcare being as it is, they treat for the condition as a manageable condition.

That is the real-time quality of care that they do now. I am sure more GC Doctors could speak on that.

So this differs what Social Scientist might think. But this is what the genetic and biological research is showing scientists now... Oh well... Whatever...

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

So this differs what Social Scientist might think.

Correct but I find your assertions very interesting.

So do you posit that only people with the neuropsychological pathology display behaviors that reinforce this structure? So this is all just about racists with certain upbringings and who have these traits? And if science can ever get to the bottom of their "disorders," this racist structure will collapse?