Hamas endorses Obama

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I would take it too, but it isn't a "real" fix.

Well, I think it'd would be a fix if it delivered the results, but it's wouldn't be better than a society with low poverty AND a shared sense of ethical behavior and a willingness of its citizens to act on those beliefs.

But we seem to have given up on the idea that we can teach and enforce any uniform sense of citizenship or character.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Well, I think it'd would be a fix if it delivered the results, but it's wouldn't be better than a society with low poverty AND a shared sense of ethical behavior and a willingness of its citizens to act on those beliefs.

But we seem to have given up on the idea that we can teach and enforce any uniform sense of citizenship or character.

Yes I agree absolutely. And you're right, if we could magically cure poverty which is directly correlated to crime, then sure, crime would stay low while poverty was low...until some other prompting event occurs which sparks the underlying issues we haven't been able to resolve.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

crime would stay low while poverty was low...until some other prompting event occurs which sparks the underlying issues we haven't been able to resolve.

Not guaranteed. But we would be addressing one of the many correlates of crime, plus improving other aspects of this "powerful industrialized, civilized, economically developed, capitalist nation."

We might not have to wait for a prompting event, however, crime rates do respond to economic shifts, imprisonment rates, demographic shifts, and so forth.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Not guaranteed. But we would be addressing one of the many correlates of crime, plus improving other aspects of this "powerful industrialized, civilized, economically developed, capitalist nation."

We might not have to wait for a prompting event, however, crime rates do respond to economic shifts, imprisonment rates, demographic shifts, and so forth.

No, not guaranteed. I was simplifying the hypothetical to show my line of reasoning.

Sure, lets work to end poverty. So long as we know we're engaging in temporary appeasement when it comes to crime.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

So long as we know we're engaging in temporary appeasement when it comes to crime.

Addressing the correlates of crime isn't a temporary adjustment.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Addressing the correlates of crime isn't a temporary adjustment.

No you're right, it will be a incessant process of recognizing or discovering new correlates, addressing those, only to see crime persist despite our efforts. This is very likely a fight worth fighting (depending on what must be sacrificed), but it will never yield a solution to America's crime problem.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

No you're right, it will be a incessant process of recognizing or discovering new correlates, addressing those, only to see crime persist despite our efforts. This is very likely a fight worth fighting (depending on what must be sacrificed), but it will never yield a solution to America's crime problem.

There will always be crime. Period.

What we're striving for as an industrialized nation is to not have such a high crime rate (as compared to other industrialized nations). And we should focus on crimes beyond those committed by the lower socioeconomic status.