Hamas endorses Obama

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I said clearly we should address both issues, but we shouldn't strive to stop one issue as a reason for another. I don't want a society that has low crime simply because poverty has been eliminated. I want this country to have reduced crime resulting from society taking a stand which says there is absolutely no excuse for it.

I'd take low crime because of low poverty, but it wouldn't mean I'd let the few criminals we did have off the hook.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I'd take low crime because of low poverty, but it wouldn't mean I'd let the few criminals we did have off the hook.

I would take it too, but it isn't a "real" fix.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I would take it too, but it isn't a "real" fix.

Well, I think it'd would be a fix if it delivered the results, but it's wouldn't be better than a society with low poverty AND a shared sense of ethical behavior and a willingness of its citizens to act on those beliefs.

But we seem to have given up on the idea that we can teach and enforce any uniform sense of citizenship or character.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Well, I think it'd would be a fix if it delivered the results, but it's wouldn't be better than a society with low poverty AND a shared sense of ethical behavior and a willingness of its citizens to act on those beliefs.

But we seem to have given up on the idea that we can teach and enforce any uniform sense of citizenship or character.

Yes I agree absolutely. And you're right, if we could magically cure poverty which is directly correlated to crime, then sure, crime would stay low while poverty was low...until some other prompting event occurs which sparks the underlying issues we haven't been able to resolve.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

crime would stay low while poverty was low...until some other prompting event occurs which sparks the underlying issues we haven't been able to resolve.

Not guaranteed. But we would be addressing one of the many correlates of crime, plus improving other aspects of this "powerful industrialized, civilized, economically developed, capitalist nation."

We might not have to wait for a prompting event, however, crime rates do respond to economic shifts, imprisonment rates, demographic shifts, and so forth.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Not guaranteed. But we would be addressing one of the many correlates of crime, plus improving other aspects of this "powerful industrialized, civilized, economically developed, capitalist nation."

We might not have to wait for a prompting event, however, crime rates do respond to economic shifts, imprisonment rates, demographic shifts, and so forth.

No, not guaranteed. I was simplifying the hypothetical to show my line of reasoning.

Sure, lets work to end poverty. So long as we know we're engaging in temporary appeasement when it comes to crime.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

So long as we know we're engaging in temporary appeasement when it comes to crime.

Addressing the correlates of crime isn't a temporary adjustment.