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Old 12-03-2007, 04:12 PM
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I support the fact that if that is what they do in thier house, that is thier business...
Many country's leaders promote genocide...but that's okay, right? Because they're doing it in their own house??
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:12 PM
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Many country's leaders promote genocide...but that's okay, right? Because they're doing it in their own house??
how did we graduate to genocide?

You say it like the US's hands are clean....

and if you think so, you need to check this out:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2982640.ece

US says it has right to kidnap British citizens
December 2, 2007

AMERICA has told Britain that it can “kidnap” British citizens if they are wanted for crimes in the United States.

A senior lawyer for the American government has told the Court of Appeal in London that kidnapping foreign citizens is permissible under American law because the US Supreme Court has sanctioned it.

The admission will alarm the British business community after the case of the so-called NatWest Three, bankers who were extradited to America on fraud charges. More than a dozen other British executives, including senior managers at British Airways and BAE Systems, are under investigation by the US authorities and could face criminal charges in America.

Until now it was commonly assumed that US law permitted kidnapping only in the “extraordinary rendition” of terrorist suspects.

The American government has for the first time made it clear in a British court that the law applies to anyone, British or otherwise, suspected of a crime by Washington.

Legal experts confirmed this weekend that America viewed extradition as just one way of getting foreign suspects back to face trial. Rendition, or kidnapping, dates back to 19th-century bounty hunting and Washington believes it is still legitimate.

The US government’s view emerged during a hearing involving Stanley Tollman, a former director of Chelsea football club and a friend of Baroness Thatcher, and his wife Beatrice.

The Tollmans, who control the Red Carnation hotel group and are resident in London, are wanted in America for bank fraud and tax evasion. They have been fighting extradition through the British courts.

During a hearing last month Lord Justice Moses, one of the Court of Appeal judges, asked Alun Jones QC, representing the US government, about its treatment of Gavin, Tollman’s nephew. Gavin Tollman was the subject of an attempted abduction during a visit to Canada in 2005.

Jones replied that it was acceptable under American law to kidnap people if they were wanted for offences in America. “The United States does have a view about procuring people to its own shores which is not shared,” he said.
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:17 PM
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how did we graduate to genocide?

You say it like the US's hands are clean....
Well, if you're going to adopt an "it's their house" stance, how far are you going to take that? Why is rape ok, but genocide isn't?

Where did I say the US was innocent?

Oh, that's right....I didn't.
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:25 PM
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Well, if you're going to adopt an "it's their house" stance, how far are you going to take that? Why is rape ok, but genocide isn't?

How many times do I have to say it?

SHE WAS NOT BEING PUNISHED FOR THE RAPE

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According to Arab News, the court said the woman's punishment was increased because of "her attempt to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media."

She had initially been sentenced to 90 lashes after being convicting her of violating Saudi's rigid laws on segregation of the sexes.

Under Saudi Arabia's interpretation of Islamic Sharia law, women are not allowed in public in the company of men other than their male relatives.


Does it say anywhere in there about her being punished for being raped?

She was with someone that she HAD NO BUSINESS BEING WITH.

If she WAS NEVER RAPED....under their law she was STILL GUILTY of the crime, right?

Right!
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:29 PM
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She wasn't punished for the rape, but her rapists were given a slap on the wrist, while she was given a totally ostentatious sentence. Supporting that means you agree that rape is ok, and she deserved it.
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:39 PM
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She wasn't punished for the rape, but her rapists were given a slap on the wrist, while she was given a totally ostentatious sentence. Supporting that means you agree that rape is ok, and she deserved it.
See...now you just trying to put words in my mouth....

Bottom line...

If you are doing something you know you have no business doing, when you are cognizant of what the rules are, then somewhere along the line, you have to realize that there are consequences and repercussions of your actions.

and you still didn't read did you:

Her initial punishment:
She had initially been sentenced to 90 lashes after being convicting her of violating Saudi's rigid laws on segregation of the sexes.

THIER initial punishment

The initial sentences for the men convicted of the gang rape ranged from 10 months to five years in prison.


Her NEW sentence (because she wanted to take it to the media)
A Saudi court sentenced a woman who had been gang raped to six months in jail and 200 lashes — more than doubling her initial penalty for being in the car of a man who was not a relative, a newspaper reported Thursday.


THIER new sentence
Their new sentences range from two to nine years, the paper said.

and if thier prisons are like thier laws....it won't be a walk in the park like American jails.
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:42 PM
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Her NEW sentence (because she wanted to take it to the media)
A Saudi court sentenced a woman who had been gang raped to six months in jail and 200 lashes — more than doubling her initial penalty for being in the car of a man who was not a relative, a newspaper reported Thursday.
She took it to the media because she wanted justice for her rapists. 10 months is NOT justice.
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Old 12-03-2007, 06:00 PM
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Her initial punishment:
She had initially been sentenced to 90 lashes after being convicting her of violating Saudi's rigid laws on segregation of the sexes.
Like this would have been a walk in the park comparatively. Jesus, NINETY lashes, can you imagine? I can't even wrap my head around 200...
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