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11-24-2007, 06:01 PM
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That's horrific.
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11-24-2007, 11:14 PM
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That's horrific.
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At the risk of redundancy, I will tell her story until I die, if only to save one person from going into a relationship without knowing the details of another's culture.
It's especially ironic right now, as this time of year is when I heard she had been executed. I had tried to picture her (with her blonde hair & blue eyes!) in an abaya & veil while she was alive, and never could, and at first, she laughed at me struggling to picture her like that (in her letters & phone calls). But when she started with the warnings, it wasn't so funny. She was beautiful, vivacious, funny, and yet so caring about everyone & everything. So sad.
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11-24-2007, 11:21 PM
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I literally have a knot in my stomach after reading that. Thank you for sharing your sister's story, honeychile. And her poor, poor parents and family back here. I can't imagine her parents' heartache.
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12-03-2007, 10:20 AM
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In a December 2006 interview in Khobar, Saudi Arabia the woman gave a full account of her testimony to Human Rights Watch, describing the incident as she did before the court. She was meeting a male acquaintance, a former boyfriend, when the attack took place.
"I was 19 years old. I had a relationship with someone on the phone. We were both 16. I had never seen him before. I just knew his voice.
He started to threaten me, and I got afraid. He threatened to tell my family about the relationship. Because of the threats and fear, I agreed to give him a photo of myself.
A few months later, I asked him for the photo back but he refused. I had gotten married to another man. He said, 'I'll give you the photo on the condition that you come out with me in my car.' I told him we could meet at a market near my neighborhood city plaza in Qatif.
He started to drive me home. We were 15 minutes from my house. I told him that I was afraid and that he should speed up. We were about to turn the corner to my house when another car stopped right in front of our car.
Two people got out of their car and stood on either side of our car. The man on my side had a knife. They tried to open our door. I told the individual with me not to open the door, but he did.
He let them come in. I screamed. One of the men brought a knife to my throat. They told me not to speak. They pushed us to the back of the car and started driving.
We drove a lot, but I didn't see anything since my head was forced down. They took us to an area with lots of palm trees. No one was there. If you kill someone there, no one would know about it. They took out the man with me, and I stayed in the car.
I was so afraid. They forced me out of the car. They pushed me really hard...Took me to a dark place.
Then two men came in. They said, 'What are you going to do? Take off your abaya.' They forced my clothes off. The first man with the knife raped me. I was destroyed. If I tried to escape, I didn't even know where I would go.
I tried to force them off but I couldn't. Another man came in and did the same thing to me. I didn't even feel anything after that.
I spent two hours begging them to take me home. I told them that it was late and that my family would be asking about me.
Then I saw a third man come into the room. There was a lot of violence. After the third man came in, a fourth came. He slapped me and tried to choke me.
The fifth and sixth ones were the most abusive. After the seventh one, I couldn't feel my body anymore. I didn't know what to do. Then a very fat man came on top of me and I could no longer breathe.
Then all seven came back and raped me again. Then they took me home. When I got out of the car, I couldn't even walk. I rang the doorbell and my mother opened the door.
She said 'you look tired.' I didn't eat for one week after that, just water. I didn't tell anyone. I went to the hospital the next day. The criminals started talking about the rape in my neighborhood.
They thought my husband would divorce me. They wanted to ruin my reputation.
Slowly my husband started to know what had happened. Four months later, we started a case. My family heard about the case. My brother hit me and tried to kill me."
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...3899920&page=1
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12-03-2007, 10:29 AM
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What a backwards culture.
I don't believe in that crap where we ought to value and respect other cultures no matter what. This kind of thing is something no one should turn a blind eye to.
The rape was a crime of animals. Hiding behind the law was an act of pure cowardice.
Someone tell me again why we protected these jackasses from Saddam in '90?
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12-03-2007, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Kevin
What a backwards culture.
I don't believe in that crap where we ought to value and respect other cultures no matter what. This kind of thing is something no one should turn a blind eye to.
The rape was a crime of animals. Hiding behind the law was an act of pure cowardice.
Someone tell me again why we protected these jackasses from Saddam in '90?
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Kevin....In my opinion, I will say this....rape is barbaric...and no one should ever have to go thru that.
But, in light of her testimony and thier laws being what they are, answers some questions that I had all along since my OP
What was she doing out with this man? Why was she so pressed to get the photo back?
Yes, it's sad that this happened but think...if she had done it and got back home safely, no one would be the wiser.
Come on, let's think about this...how many times have we been told by our parents, or if you are a parents had to tell your children about being someplace you are not supposed to be, with someone you know you shouldn't be with, doing something you shouldn't be doing?
Tell me that you haven't been caught doing something you shouldn't have...
There are consequences and repercussions to knowingly disobeying, right?
We call it barbaric but yet and still Massachusetts is in the process of taking more power out of the hands of parents by trying to make it illegal to spank your child...
We may disagree what one does in thier own house either locally and globally but they have thier laws for a reason and so do we.
I do feel for this girl but.............I don't know........
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12-03-2007, 10:52 AM
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There are consequences and repercussions to knowingly disobeying, right?
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Rape, and then getting jailed for being raped?? I don't think so.
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12-03-2007, 10:57 AM
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Rape, and then getting jailed for being raped?? I don't think so.
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she did NOT get jailed for being raped....please go back and read the article.
Let's flesh this out ever further.....say she never got raped. Say nothing violent ever happened. But one of her brothers comes along and spotted her in the car. One of her cousins comes along and spotted her in the car. One of her relatives spotted her in the car.
with....a....man....not....related...to....her.
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12-03-2007, 10:59 AM
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I'm disturbed because of the doubling of her original sentence for talking to the media. We don't always appreciate our freedom of speech - imperfect though it is - but boy, I sure do now.
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12-03-2007, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid
...rape is barbaric...and no one should ever have to go thru that. But....
Yes, it's sad that this happened but...
There are consequences and repercussions to knowingly disobeying, right?
I do feel for this girl but.............
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DS,
It really sounds like you approve of what's happening to this poor girl. Every time you say something which sounds sympathetic to the girl's case, you follow it up with a " but...".
There's really no " but" to it, IMO. The additional consequences/repercussions she faces are out of line. She has suffered enough. Rape is bad. Gang rape is worse. There's no reason why the government should punish her even more. She's already faced her repercussions... from seven men... twice.
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12-03-2007, 03:52 PM
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DS,
It really sounds like you approve of what's happening to this poor girl. Every time you say something which sounds sympathetic to the girl's case, you follow it up with a "but...".
There's really no "but" to it, IMO. The additional consequences/repercussions she faces are out of line. She has suffered enough. Rape is bad. Gang rape is worse. There's no reason why the government should punish her even more. She's already faced her repercussions... from seven men... twice.
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I don't approve...however...that is the law...she broke it......this really is maginified due to the fact that she was raped...otherwise...if it didn't happen...still the initial crime according to thier law had to be settled if she was caught by someone else.
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12-03-2007, 03:55 PM
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I don't approve...however...
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That's just a fancy " but". I stand by what I said earlier. It sounds like you support what the government is doing.
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12-03-2007, 04:00 PM
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That's just a fancy "but". I stand by what I said earlier. It sounds like you support what the government is doing.
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I support the fact that if that is what they do in thier house, that is thier business...
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12-03-2007, 04:12 PM
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I support the fact that if that is what they do in thier house, that is thier business...
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Many country's leaders promote genocide...but that's okay, right? Because they're doing it in their own house??
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