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Old 12-03-2007, 10:48 AM
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What a backwards culture.

I don't believe in that crap where we ought to value and respect other cultures no matter what. This kind of thing is something no one should turn a blind eye to.

The rape was a crime of animals. Hiding behind the law was an act of pure cowardice.

Someone tell me again why we protected these jackasses from Saddam in '90?

Kevin....In my opinion, I will say this....rape is barbaric...and no one should ever have to go thru that.

But, in light of her testimony and thier laws being what they are, answers some questions that I had all along since my OP

What was she doing out with this man? Why was she so pressed to get the photo back?

Yes, it's sad that this happened but think...if she had done it and got back home safely, no one would be the wiser.

Come on, let's think about this...how many times have we been told by our parents, or if you are a parents had to tell your children about being someplace you are not supposed to be, with someone you know you shouldn't be with, doing something you shouldn't be doing?

Tell me that you haven't been caught doing something you shouldn't have...

There are consequences and repercussions to knowingly disobeying, right?

We call it barbaric but yet and still Massachusetts is in the process of taking more power out of the hands of parents by trying to make it illegal to spank your child...

We may disagree what one does in thier own house either locally and globally but they have thier laws for a reason and so do we.

I do feel for this girl but.............I don't know........
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:52 AM
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There are consequences and repercussions to knowingly disobeying, right?
Rape, and then getting jailed for being raped?? I don't think so.
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:57 AM
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Rape, and then getting jailed for being raped?? I don't think so.
she did NOT get jailed for being raped....please go back and read the article.


Let's flesh this out ever further.....say she never got raped. Say nothing violent ever happened. But one of her brothers comes along and spotted her in the car. One of her cousins comes along and spotted her in the car. One of her relatives spotted her in the car.

with....a....man....not....related...to....her.
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Old 12-03-2007, 02:59 PM
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...rape is barbaric...and no one should ever have to go thru that. But....

Yes, it's sad that this happened but...

There are consequences and repercussions to knowingly disobeying, right?

I do feel for this girl but.............
DS,

It really sounds like you approve of what's happening to this poor girl. Every time you say something which sounds sympathetic to the girl's case, you follow it up with a "but...".

There's really no "but" to it, IMO. The additional consequences/repercussions she faces are out of line. She has suffered enough. Rape is bad. Gang rape is worse. There's no reason why the government should punish her even more. She's already faced her repercussions... from seven men... twice.
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Old 12-03-2007, 03:52 PM
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DS,

It really sounds like you approve of what's happening to this poor girl. Every time you say something which sounds sympathetic to the girl's case, you follow it up with a "but...".

There's really no "but" to it, IMO. The additional consequences/repercussions she faces are out of line. She has suffered enough. Rape is bad. Gang rape is worse. There's no reason why the government should punish her even more. She's already faced her repercussions... from seven men... twice.

I don't approve...however...that is the law...she broke it......this really is maginified due to the fact that she was raped...otherwise...if it didn't happen...still the initial crime according to thier law had to be settled if she was caught by someone else.
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Old 12-03-2007, 03:55 PM
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I don't approve...however...
That's just a fancy "but". I stand by what I said earlier. It sounds like you support what the government is doing.
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:00 PM
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That's just a fancy "but". I stand by what I said earlier. It sounds like you support what the government is doing.
I support the fact that if that is what they do in thier house, that is thier business...
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:12 PM
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I support the fact that if that is what they do in thier house, that is thier business...
Many country's leaders promote genocide...but that's okay, right? Because they're doing it in their own house??
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Old 12-03-2007, 04:12 PM
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Many country's leaders promote genocide...but that's okay, right? Because they're doing it in their own house??
how did we graduate to genocide?

You say it like the US's hands are clean....

and if you think so, you need to check this out:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2982640.ece

US says it has right to kidnap British citizens
December 2, 2007

AMERICA has told Britain that it can “kidnap” British citizens if they are wanted for crimes in the United States.

A senior lawyer for the American government has told the Court of Appeal in London that kidnapping foreign citizens is permissible under American law because the US Supreme Court has sanctioned it.

The admission will alarm the British business community after the case of the so-called NatWest Three, bankers who were extradited to America on fraud charges. More than a dozen other British executives, including senior managers at British Airways and BAE Systems, are under investigation by the US authorities and could face criminal charges in America.

Until now it was commonly assumed that US law permitted kidnapping only in the “extraordinary rendition” of terrorist suspects.

The American government has for the first time made it clear in a British court that the law applies to anyone, British or otherwise, suspected of a crime by Washington.

Legal experts confirmed this weekend that America viewed extradition as just one way of getting foreign suspects back to face trial. Rendition, or kidnapping, dates back to 19th-century bounty hunting and Washington believes it is still legitimate.

The US government’s view emerged during a hearing involving Stanley Tollman, a former director of Chelsea football club and a friend of Baroness Thatcher, and his wife Beatrice.

The Tollmans, who control the Red Carnation hotel group and are resident in London, are wanted in America for bank fraud and tax evasion. They have been fighting extradition through the British courts.

During a hearing last month Lord Justice Moses, one of the Court of Appeal judges, asked Alun Jones QC, representing the US government, about its treatment of Gavin, Tollman’s nephew. Gavin Tollman was the subject of an attempted abduction during a visit to Canada in 2005.

Jones replied that it was acceptable under American law to kidnap people if they were wanted for offences in America. “The United States does have a view about procuring people to its own shores which is not shared,” he said.
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