vaccinate your kids, or else!!

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

and if you are posting that pic ...(in leiu of said 'argument') ...what does that make you?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

and if you are posting that pic ...(in leiu of said 'argument') ...what does that make you?

It's called "Keep it Moving". We all know you can't take criticism of your shoddy arguments. It's the same old story. Get on with it.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Get it? Agree to disagree (also known as saying that we both can be right)

Since when does "agree to disagree" mean the same thing as saying "we're both right"? It can just as likely (or more likely) mean "I'm right, you're wrong, you're not going to change my mind, and you're hopeless, so let's just move on."

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Don't I know it! We've been doing that, and as I said, he's doing well. I think part of the reason is that we have been doing what you suggested.

On top of that, I think there are psychological/emotional reasons that we have seen improvement (which means an easier time for him navigating the social skills world). Plus, he (and we) have been blessed with teachers and school administrators (yes, in the public school system!) who value him, who want to see him succeed, who are willing to try and understand how his mind works and use appropriate strategies with him, and who identify his strengths and play off them to help him with his weaknesses. But those things are another thread.

But, yeah, what you describe mirrors along with my (completely unprofessional) thoughts about it all. I have described it as "the perfect storm" between a pre-existing disposition and triggers that set things in motion.

Let me know if he catches a cold or something and how fast it clears up, I have a theory... You know how children catch things? And as always, follow your normal course of healthcare with your child--please do not withhold it!

All I want to know is the time he comes down with symptoms, what was his mental state, then when the issue became resolved to "normal" (with or without direct medical intervention). You can PM me.

It could be a cold, a scrape or bruise, cut, boil or sty--anything--so if he scrapes his knee, and you put neosporin on it, how long did it take to completely heal to relatively normalcy?

SPECULATION: Are there immune system problems in autism?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

SPECULATION: Are there immune system problems in autism?

Are you looking at the whole autism spectrum? Little MysticCat is Asperger's, and I love MysticCat's stories about him - he seems like such a neat kid.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Let me know if he catches a cold or something and how fast it clears up, I have a theory... You know how children catch things? And as always, follow your normal course of healthcare with your child--please do not withhold it!

All I want to know is the time he comes down with symptoms, what was his mental state, then when the issue became resolved to "normal" (with or without direct medical intervention). You can PM me.

It could be a cold, a scrape or bruise, cut, boil or sty--anything--so if he scrapes his knee, and you put neosporin on it, how long did it take to completely heal to relatively normalcy?

SPECULATION: Are there immune system problems in autism?

Off the top of my head, it seems like he usually moves through colds and other illnesses pretty fast, although like me, he's a had a runny nose for a week or so now. Other than that, he doesn't get sick that often.

This summer he cut his knee and needed stitches -- it seemed to heal in about the time the doctors expected it to. (When he went to get the stiches out, the dr. commented on how nicely it was healing.) If I think of or notice other examples, I'll PM.

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Are you looking at the whole autism spectrum? Little MysticCat is Asperger's, and I love MysticCat's stories about him - he seems like such a neat kid.

Thanks! He is a neat kid. Technically, his diagnosis is high functioning autism. Although even the professionals often use HFA and and Asperger's interchangeably and we find it's often easier to use Asperger's because more people understand what it is, there is a technical diagnostic difference.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Since when does "agree to disagree" mean the same thing as saying "we're both right"? It can just as likely (or more likely) mean "I'm right, you're wrong, you're not going to change my mind, and you're hopeless, so let's just move on."

Mystic...

what it means to me...IMO

in some cases there can be two sides to each story.

Your experiences and mine are not similar. But we may have beliefs and facts that form different opinions on a simliar subject.

Sometimes there is no one right or truly correct way especially since there may be different ways that give a positive (or negative...depending on what you are seeking) result on tackling a problem.


I may not like your opinion, you may not like mine.

I respect that you have one and if whatever works for you gets the job done so be it.

And it may even be prudent for me to at least examine whatever it is that you are doing because I may have to change and adapt to that way of thinking or doing.


For instance.... religion

[MysticCat]

^^^ That kind of stuff works with differences of opinion. It doesn't work with facts, statistical or otherwise, which is what got this whole "discussion" started.

You can be as earnest as you like in believing, say, that the world is flat. I'll respect your right to believe that and agree to disagree on the subject of whether the world is flat or round. But only one of us will be right.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

^^^ That kind of stuff works with differences of opinion. It doesn't work with facts, statistical or otherwise, which is what got this whole "discussion" started.

You can be as earnest as you like in believing, say, that the world is flat. I'll respect your right to believe that and agree to disagree on the subject of whether the world is flat or round. But only one of us will be right.

But that was my whole point in my comment to Monet.

I wasn't basing what I said on a 'fact'

In fact...the comment that made that lead to this wasn't made to be taken seriously at all....maybe I didn't leave enough emoticons behind for certain folk to catch that I was jesting!

[AlphaFrog]

With your past history of using anecdotal evidence in academic discussions, no amount of smilies would suffice to imply you were joking.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

With your past history of using anecdotal evidence in academic discussions, no amount of smilies would suffice to imply you were joking.

Really not my fault you took it seriously.


Hey... you assumed.

[Drolefille]

Why am I not surprised that this thread hit a second page, not on a discussion of vaccination, but because we're playing the "I didn't really mean that you took what I typed seriously" game?

[AGDee]

I'll bring it back to the vaccination thing. The reality here is, if, as a parent, you object to the vaccine, you can sign a paper stating such and your kid can still be in school. So, the kids who have been out of school since August are simply kids whose parents aren't doing what they should be doing.. either getting them the vaccine or signing the objection form. There is no excuse to not do one of those things over the course of the first 3 months of school.

[nikki1920]

THANK. YOU.
How hard is it to sign a paper?

*says the social services worker*

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I'll bring it back to the vaccination thing. The reality here is, if, as a parent, you object to the vaccine, you can sign a paper stating such and your kid can still be in school. So, the kids who have been out of school since August are simply kids whose parents aren't doing what they should be doing.. either getting them the vaccine or signing the objection form. There is no excuse to not do one of those things over the course of the first 3 months of school.

I think, based on the article, that you can have a religious objection or a medical objection (this'd be a doctor's note or requirement), but not just an "i don't want to" objection.