vaccinate your kids, or else!! - Page 2

AKA_Monet · #16 11-20-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

I just can't go there. I know what the research has shown so far, but I also know of too many parents who can pretty much peg the changes they saw in their children to the time they got certain vaccinations. We can.

I'm not saying, nor will I say, that vaccines "cause" autism. I think we are likely to figure out eventually that autism is caused by a number of genetic factors that come into play, but I also think that we will find that many environmental factors, including perhaps some vaccines, can act as triggers or help create the perfect storm in some kids.

I completely go along with the reason for vaccines, but if we had it to do over again, I'm not sure what we'd do. I do think we would delay some of the vaccines at the least.

Mystic, I am sorry I am hearing that about your child. My professional opinion, the issue is how the vaccine is compiled together. Usually, most vaccines are heat killed bacterial proteins or total DNA vaccines. But most need extra carriers and adjuvants to "mount an immune reaction". It may be that some kids are being injected before they have Thymic education of CD4 and CD8 cells, for numerous reasons.

Maybe the mother's milk during breast feeding was not "primed enough" with essential nutrients no matter how much one has prepared.

The other issue is some of the products are made in places that fail to conform to US standards for human consumption... The adjuvants and carriers are impure or mixed with other compliations that are not ever to be mixed together... I.e. melamine in dog food...

Then we inject this vaccine into our kids who do not have fully functional immune system--that has not been thoroughly examined. It is thought that it takes 3 years for a human to develop the full immune system. That research was done in the late 1940's - 1960's... So, we are talking 40 years and well, vast advances have been made in immunology...

The other issue is increased allergies in humans. Nowadays, are there that many new allergens that babies no longer can consume their mother's milk or any milk? What happened to "natural selection"?

The best you can do right now is boost your child's health with several essential vitamins proven safe for developing children... I would "bathe them" with as much boosters as I could give them--organic, natural, pure, of course... It is expensive of course...

When my animals would have difficulty breeding, I would give them a 9% fat breeder chow. 9% included cholesterol and fatty acids... It is my understanding that autism may have fatty acylation issues...

Good luck!

AKA_Monet · #17 11-20-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

2. Sorry to say this but something to consider, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the population that hasn't been immunized are made up of illegal immigrants. One of my best friends are teahcing in a school full of kids who are otherwise not legal in the US and he tells me that a lot of the kids stay sick....we discussed this very topic last weekend and he said that Baltimore City will be next more than likely in doing the same thing.

3. Insurance.... a lot of people cannot afford to get these shots and some even refuse to go to the free clinic....why? I do not know...something else my and my friend discussed last week.

I'm sorry, I have to disagree with that. Many undocumented immigrants actually do get their children's immunizations because they want the benefit of education, so I have seen many do what it takes.

But, just like US citizens do not get immunizations, so as undocumented immigrants. Interestingly, I would like to see the same rates in Europe. The Europeans have been exposed to many of these diseases for a millennium, so there are real immunity design issues that have been on-going.

Folks who refuse to get their children free shots have very little excuse now. Some of that may be laziness to care for their kids. Period.

DaemonSeid · #18 11-20-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I'm sorry, I have to disagree with that. Many undocumented immigrants actually do get their children's immunizations because they want the benefit of education, so I have seen many do what it takes.

But, just like US citizens do not get immunizations, so as undocumented immigrants. Interestingly, I would like to see the same rates in Europe. The Europeans have been exposed to many of these diseases for a millennium, so there are real immunity design issues that have been on-going.

Folks who refuse to get their children free shots have very little excuse now. Some of that may be laziness to care for their kids. Period.

we will have to agree to disagree...2 teachers I talked to don't lie... heheheh *wink*.

AlphaFrog · #19 11-20-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

we will have to agree to disagree...2 teachers I talked to don't lie... heheheh *wink*.

Yes, 2 is a highly representative number of the entire lot of teachers in this country. I'm sure it was a very diverse cross section as well.

nikki1920 · #20 11-20-2007, 02:57 PM

DaemonSeid:

also, you have to look at the population of students where those 2 teachers are teaching. I think that assessment was a bit narrowminded. I see the point you were trying to make, though.

DaemonSeid · #21 11-20-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Yes, 2 is a highly representative number of the entire lot of teachers in this country. I'm sure it was a very diverse cross section as well.

AF sometimes...you really should keep your thoughts to yourself...again...trying to look cute in front of your friends...is not cute.

I wasn't disputing AKA_Monet's opinion at all.

I heard one thing...she heard something else.

We both have 2 different sources and I am sure hers has verifiable information as well as mine (matter of fact, Monet one of my sources is a soror <and sis in law> of yours)

Get it? Agree to disagree (also known as saying that we both can be right)

Keep your peanut gallery comments to yourself please.

DaemonSeid · #22 11-20-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nikki1920

DaemonSeid:

also, you have to look at the population of students where those 2 teachers are teaching. I think that assessment was a bit narrowminded. I see the point you were trying to make, though.

Thank you

and BTW...

Bowie MD and Baltimore City is where they teach nikki

AKA_Monet · #23 11-20-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Yes, 2 is a highly representative number of the entire lot of teachers in this country. I'm sure it was a very diverse cross section as well.

Not to mention what really goes on in undocumented immigrants homes... I guess you would have that statistical significance and relevancy for a full double-blinded trial...

AlphaFrog · #24 11-20-2007, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

AF sometimes...you really should keep your thoughts to yourself...again...trying to look cute in front of your friends...is not cute.

I wasn't disputing AKA_Monet's opinion at all.

I heard one thing...she heard something else.

We both have 2 different sources and I am sure hers has verifiable information as well as mine (matter of fact, Monet one of my sources is a soror <and sis in law> of yours)

Get it? Agree to disagree (also known as saying that we both can be right)

Keep your peanut gallery comments to yourself please.

You can't agree to disagree on facts. Either illegal immigrants for the most part get their children immunized, or they don't. It's not a debate. It may be hard to prove, since there may not be much documentation, but it's not an opinion.

As for your "source" - anecdotes don't qualify as "verifiable information".

And if you think I feel the need to "impress" people or look cute, you obviously haven't read too many of my posts. I say what I feel like. Let me repeat that so you get it: I SAY WHAT I FEEL LIKE. Got it?

DaemonSeid · #25 11-20-2007, 03:13 PM

OK...

I wasn't saying it for you all to take that '2' to be a literal number as a statistical fact!

MysticCat · #26 11-20-2007, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ISUKappa

May I ask, was it a sudden change? Had he been a "normal" infant/toddler until that point? I think every parent worries most about that potential - their seemingly "normal" child just one day "changes" (for lack of a better word) into a completely different child.

Yes, I would say it was a fairly sudden change -- not necessaily a night-and-day change but a quite noticeable change. It really was like he just retreated into a shell and just peeked back out. Later we could see that he wanted to come out, but had no clue how.

I'll agree about that fear. It's so hard to figure out -- has he really changed or did he just hit a developmental hump?

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I think it's wonderful he's doing so well, and obviously has a dad (and family) who care very much for him.

Well, his mom is a Kappa, so he's a lucky kid.

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

The best you can do right now is boost your child's health with several essential vitamins proven safe for developing children... I would "bathe them" with as much boosters as I could give them--organic, natural, pure, of course... It is expensive of course...

Don't I know it!

We've been doing that, and as I said, he's doing well. I think part of the reason is that we have been doing what you suggested.

On top of that, I think there are psychological/emotional reasons that we have seen improvement (which means an easier time for him navigating the social skills world). Plus, he (and we) have been blessed with teachers and school administrators (yes, in the public school system!) who value him, who want to see him succeed, who are willing to try and understand how his mind works and use appropriate strategies with him, and who identify his strengths and play off them to help him with his weaknesses. But those things are another thread.

But, yeah, what you describe mirrors along with my (completely unprofessional) thoughts about it all. I have described it as "the perfect storm" between a pre-existing disposition and triggers that set things in motion.

DaemonSeid · #27 11-20-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

And if you think I feel the need to "impress" people or look cute, you obviously haven't read too many of my posts. I say what I feel like. Let me repeat that so you get it: I SAY WHAT I FEEL LIKE. Got it?

I can't hear you...remove your foot please

AKA_Monet · #28 11-20-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

AF sometimes...you really should keep your thoughts to yourself...again...trying to look cute in front of your friends...is not cute.

I wasn't disputing AKA_Monet's opinion at all.

I heard one thing...she heard something else.

We both have 2 different sources and I am sure hers has verifiable information as well as mine (matter of fact, Monet one of my sources is a soror <and sis in law> of yours)

Get it? Agree to disagree (also known as saying that we both can be right)

Keep your peanut gallery comments to yourself please.

Verifiable information?

AlphaFrog · #29 11-20-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I can't hear you...remove your foot please

AKA_Monet · #30 11-20-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

OK...

I wasn't saying it for you all to take that '2' to be a literal number as a statistical fact!

But that's how stereotypes, distortions and rumors get started and proliferate out of proportion.

We are about dispelling myths on GC. Everyone can agree to disagree with facts. Quips and puns in this discussion is not a joke to a lot of folks around here...