vaccinate your kids, or else!!

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

The autism myth aside . . . .

I just can't go there. I know what the research has shown so far, but I also know of too many parents who can pretty much peg the changes they saw in their children to the time they got certain vaccinations. We can.

I'm not saying, nor will I say, that vaccines "cause" autism. I think we are likely to figure out eventually that autism is caused by a number of genetic factors that come into play, but I also think that we will find that many environmental factors, including perhaps some vaccines, can act as triggers or help create the perfect storm in some kids.

I completely go along with the reason for vaccines, but if we had it to do over again, I'm not sure what we'd do. I do think we would delay some of the vaccines at the least.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I just can't go there. I know what the research has shown so far, but I also know of too many parents who can pretty much peg the changes they saw in their children to the time they got certain vaccinations. We can.

I'm not saying, nor will I say, that vaccines "cause" autism. I think we are likely to figure out eventually that autism is caused by a number of genetic factors that come into play, but I also think that we will find that many environmental factors, including perhaps some vaccines, can act as triggers or help create the perfect storm in some kids.

I completely go along with the reason for vaccines, but if we had it to do over again, I'm not sure what we'd do. I do think we would delay some of the vaccines at the least.

And that's why researchers are looking at the other factors, autism doesn't manifest itself until a certain age after all. It does make me wonder if perhaps it's a combination of the age, so the autism was ready to manifest, and the stimuli of getting a shot rather than the contents of it. Considering the dislike of many types of physical contact by autistics that could be a possibility. Don't know if any studies have been done down that line.

And really, I was referring more to those people who refuse to get little Bobby immunized because the internet told them about how it causes autism and refuse to listen to anyone else. At this point though, it can't be substantiated. Hell, maybe we're all wrong and it does cause autism, but if so there should be something to back it up, and some reason why everyone doesn't "catch" autism from them.

[SydneyK]

This has been a subject of much debate in my house. There is so much evidence on both sides that it's hard to know what to believe. I'm not a big fan of the way pharmaceutical companies seem to be trying to infiltrate every home, and it seems that, by requiring vaccines, the government is not only allowing this infiltration, but mandating it. So, that's frustrating. However, I understand why vaccines are important, and I'm all in favor of protecting our children from potentially deadly diseases.

I wish there were completely unbiased resources to turn to. Everything I've found seems to have some kind of spin on it, so like I said, it's hard to know what to believe.

As it is, our kids have gotten the required vaccinations at the suggested times. Fortunately, we've not seen any kind of negative reaction in either of them. If we had seen negative reactions, I'm not sure what we'd have done. And, since our younger child is still an infant (and therefore requires more vaccinations), I expect I'll continue to try to find a trustworthy source for answers.

I must admit, I'm glad to see that truant parents are being held accountable. At least, they're threatened as such (I've yet to see any indication that any parents have been sentenced to jail time for this). Given the fact that in this case, the government is allowing for religious/medical exceptions, there's no excuse for students missing so much school.

[AlphaFrog]

John is still due for his 9 month vaccinations, due to spending 6 hours at O'Hare when we should have been in Charlotte for his Dr. appt. I'm pretty sure that at 3, Mariana's past that critical point, but I'm wondering if I should do a little more research before getting John back on schedule.

MysticCat - What point/age did you notice a change in your son?

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I just can't go there. I know what the research has shown so far, but I also know of too many parents who can pretty much peg the changes they saw in their children to the time they got certain vaccinations. We can.

I'm not saying, nor will I say, that vaccines "cause" autism. I think we are likely to figure out eventually that autism is caused by a number of genetic factors that come into play, but I also think that we will find that many environmental factors, including perhaps some vaccines, can act as triggers or help create the perfect storm in some kids.

I completely go along with the reason for vaccines, but if we had it to do over again, I'm not sure what we'd do. I do think we would delay some of the vaccines at the least.

Mystic, I am sorry I am hearing that about your child. My professional opinion, the issue is how the vaccine is compiled together. Usually, most vaccines are heat killed bacterial proteins or total DNA vaccines. But most need extra carriers and adjuvants to "mount an immune reaction". It may be that some kids are being injected before they have Thymic education of CD4 and CD8 cells, for numerous reasons.

Maybe the mother's milk during breast feeding was not "primed enough" with essential nutrients no matter how much one has prepared.

The other issue is some of the products are made in places that fail to conform to US standards for human consumption... The adjuvants and carriers are impure or mixed with other compliations that are not ever to be mixed together... I.e. melamine in dog food...

Then we inject this vaccine into our kids who do not have fully functional immune system--that has not been thoroughly examined. It is thought that it takes 3 years for a human to develop the full immune system. That research was done in the late 1940's - 1960's... So, we are talking 40 years and well, vast advances have been made in immunology...

The other issue is increased allergies in humans. Nowadays, are there that many new allergens that babies no longer can consume their mother's milk or any milk? What happened to "natural selection"?

The best you can do right now is boost your child's health with several essential vitamins proven safe for developing children... I would "bathe them" with as much boosters as I could give them--organic, natural, pure, of course... It is expensive of course...

When my animals would have difficulty breeding, I would give them a 9% fat breeder chow. 9% included cholesterol and fatty acids... It is my understanding that autism may have fatty acylation issues...

Good luck!